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Anyone interested in teaming up 3-5 Ab users
« on: June 10, 2014, 07:45:06 PM »
Not talking about sharing a AB username password.  Talking about teaming up to post to blogs together to add variance and make the blogs larger while still maintaining good content.   If anyone is interested I could go into further details  Ive done this in the past with completely unique content and it works great.  Spreading links to multiple sites hides footprints etc.  Definitely have to have base rules, and I would suggest adding non AB content as well as well as linking out to other sites to create a better less traceable mini network.   

I will hold the group in one of my sites to share info privately if we can come to an agreement that makes sense.

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Re: Anyone interested in teaming up 3-5 Ab users
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2014, 03:19:13 AM »
Given the nature of AB content with the possible exception of a broadening of an individual site's outgoing link profile what benefit would accrue to members of such a wheeze?

As far as I can see what you are proposing would actually increase the footprint of an individual site because the outgoing links can be shown to be part of a larger and more pervasive link network.
 
If I understand correctly, assuming that one's outgoing link policy remained the same and was consistent across your network the number of outgoing links would remain unchanged - yes?

However, if one is running a small network of 25 sites that are wholly one's own then one gets the benefit of those 25 sites/pages to each page to which you link and 25 sites is an unnoticeable gnat's bite on the arm of the internet.

If one joins a link network then one's 25 links will still come from 25 sites/pages, just as before but from a variable set of domains and IPs. That might have some benefit, assuming that all sites in the network were equally well valued by search engine algorithms.

Problem: Now that one's rank manipulating links come from a much larger network of sites each of which is trivial to identify as being part of a manipulation system simply from the outgoing link network then one's risk of discovery is increased with consequent downgrading of the value and thus rank of the target pages.

Writing here as a happy user of blog networks can you let me know if I have misunderstood something?

Re: Anyone interested in teaming up 3-5 Ab users
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2014, 08:01:13 PM »
Andrew,
I think your making some assumptions as to how the process will work as well as the idea that this one particular group is the only links that people involved will be getting. 

QO

Re: Anyone interested in teaming up 3-5 Ab users
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2014, 08:30:02 PM »
Wouldn't let me modify the post, as I accidentally hit enter.  :-[

Andrew,
I think your making some assumptions as to how the process will work as well as the idea that this one particular group is the only links that people involved will be getting. 

One large benefit is  increased size and quality as well as relevance in each individual blog or web2.o created because of more contributors.   When someone does link back to their site/page its.

Not sure how to answer your first question? -- I think you might have misunderstood my post.  Each blog is not just a bunch of AB posts I never really hinted at that although this could be a small part of it.  If, that was the case, you would be right. There definitely wouldn't be an value in having a small or large team when one person can do this on their own probably easier because they don't have to follow any guidelines.

There hasn't been any rules or policies so I really can't say exactly how it would play out.  I would make some suggestions as I am involved in several smaller groups each one has different people, different blogs and different rules.  (I would suggest that the group do the same or create their own on top of what is done in the group).

Its hard to give some examples of what is done in my other groups, because each is so different.

Some use rewritten content from members main sites and that content is used to fill up blogs.  Some are spun some are handwritten some have paid articles.  One group has rules that half of the posts can't have any links and most the other posts links are to informative sites.   If you have ten sites and the network (at the time has 20 or so blogs)  You will not have a post to each of your sites on each blog.  The blogs need to be relevant.  (There are general blogs mixed in like journals). 

So what Im proposing isn't  easy but once it is up and going it works and becomes much easier.  Only posting it here because the nature of users here are looking for other methods that work.  The most difficult part is coming up with the ground rules and who is managing it or if its a mix etc etc

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Re: Anyone interested in teaming up 3-5 Ab users
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2014, 08:08:56 AM »
The core issue is that of the network. There's lots you can do to make things different, unique etc. Been doing it for almost a decade, got the hang of that bit. ;)

However, when one has a large network of sites it is trivial to identify the network (really, it is!) by analysing the links. There's plenty of math heavy papers out there on the topic but basically, any network supporting other sites by linking to them can be picked out because there will, inevitably, be an unnatural preponderance of links to a limited number of pages from a limited universe of originating sites. Even if one uses dummy links to mix things up the analysis can be done. The more sites in the network the easier the task becomes. That's because the number of potential end points increases.

Yahoo! recently published a patent that covers part of this area, they are looking at the characteristics of incoming links to assess the quality of those links and thus the value boost they should provide to a receiving page. They can identify links with certain characteristics, work backward from the receiving pages. The next step is to identify the sites that also link to the same pages. Multiple iterations produce the network of incoming sites.

There are already tools available that enable webmasters and SEO practitioners to identify link networks that work by using network analysis. This outfit seem to be doing so and have a presentation that is a little info lite but they do outline the conceptual process and the discussion is worthwhile. Notice the the breakdown of link types in the infographic.

Here's a math heavy version!

A small network seems pretty safe because, frankly, it is harder to find. There's way fewer endpoints at either end.

From what I have learned, the trick is in the type of sites providing the links and the size of the network. There are characteristics of sites that can make them unlikely to be seen as network sites on the basis of a qualitative analysis (one of the giveaways of blog networks right now) and size of the network (which it has to be said is a guessing game.)

You see, a way that networks are identified is by finding a starting point. Find one site that has the characteristics of being a splog or blog network site and the others can be found from it. :(
If the site looks 'spammy' to a human review the seed of a new blog network search has been found. The Yahoo! patent works from the link receiving end, algorithmically.

And, yes, a site that ONLY has AB content will be identifiable - but from what I have seen this is not an issue in the qualitative analysis of sites, ie. sites using AB content will not ever be penalised for that reason alone. If penalisation occurs it is because of other factors in concert with the content. We use AB a lot and over many years and I have yet to see a site we monitor fail. I think that the reason for this is that there is simply so much content out there that is MUCH worse than AB material that AB gets a free pass.

Sorry for the long reply. I confess this stuff is of great interest to me. I'd love to see a blog network that can be set up which can outsmart, in a planned and objective manner, the kinds of tools arrayed against them right now. I know I am out of my depth in this regard because I simply can not understand the math in the paper I linked to above but that's the competition.
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Re: Anyone interested in teaming up 3-5 Ab users
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2014, 08:31:50 PM »
Your so far off.  At least from what Im doing.  Again Im not building a link network.  I am sure that is where the confusion is.  Never said it was a full blown link network.  A group of blogs is not a link network.  If that were true you could only build one site and never have another one or it would be a link network.  Ive been doing this since 1996 almost 2 decades so Ive got a pretty good grasp  ;).

Totally get what your saying but as stated above the emphasis is on building blogs that allow some links back.  Not every blog linking to every site or even close.  Everyone on this site gets links from youtube, or Ezinearticles those, all post to many of the same sites as well as wiki pages. etc.  Those are extremely large blogs with high authority that point to just about everyone.  The largest link network possible.  That obviously is an extreme skew of what you are talking about but on the same par.  These blogs actually do well on their own and many times end up with a following and make money on their own.  If you owned many of the top sites that were related to a specific niche and you started a new site that was geared to a similar but different niche, then posted links to it from a few of those sites you would not be punished at all link network or not.

Building large blogs that are topic specific is just good practice for everything.  Even if it was flagged as a possible link farm which it wouldn't be and Ive never had issues in the many years Ive been doing this in some form or another.  What you are talking about is large list of blogs with little content and lots of links Im talking smaller list of blogs with tons of content (real full sites) made easier by having multiple editors like 3-5.  That allow some links to some of their own sites.   

Since 96 Ive been doing things the right way and have never been penalized with the exception of some experimental sites back in webcrawler and metacrawler days and some late google experiments.  Ive been calling peoples crap (even though it works) on sites like the warrior forum and digital point for a very long time.  Probably was one of the first to make it clear that outbound links are a good thing. Thats,  back when everyone else was against it because of (link juice) passing.  Im sure many of the posts are still live on those sites. Same username maybe an old one with 111 or 411 after it.   Creating value is all that really matters.  As long as you are doing that there won't be any issues.

Not sure how you can put an argument against what I am proposing when I haven't proposed anything.  At least not in any detail.  So I am guessing your trolling  ::)  Which is cool, kind of fun. 

What you are saying is pretty much true for the most part.  Although larger "link" networks can be hid just fine you just  have to use common sense when linking.   That is just not what I'm doing.

Re: Anyone interested in teaming up 3-5 Ab users
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2014, 10:12:43 PM »
Okay, so we can see what you're "not" doing, but we're not sure what you are doing, but you want us to join in blind?

Re: Anyone interested in teaming up 3-5 Ab users
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2014, 06:58:11 PM »
Omg really?  There were some examples of a few things that can be done but as said earlier I'm not doing anything. Its a group of people that will throw in ideas and team up essentially. Sort of a mastermind with action.  As I said earlier every group I've done is a little different because the same people are not involved. Yes join a mastermind blind I guess. Its free and u can always choose to leave. 


Re: Anyone interested in teaming up 3-5 Ab users
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2014, 07:44:58 PM »
Actually, I just reread your posts and I think I understand a little better what you're trying to do. Interesting concept, but wouldn't gel well with where my own efforts are at right now.

Re: Anyone interested in teaming up 3-5 Ab users
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2014, 07:52:39 PM »
Totally understand. Its hardvtonget a group than can agree anyways. But when I do. The results are pretty goid.  Of course for me i have several groups.  It is a bit of work too. And  there are definitely easier faster ways to get temporary results.  Bottom line is value and always will be.

Re: Anyone interested in teaming up 3-5 Ab users
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2014, 08:28:53 AM »
therookie, we are working on adding an Article Builder API integration to our network of sites.  AB Will be adding new content daily and I might be interested.  Did this ever come to pass?

Re: Anyone interested in teaming up 3-5 Ab users
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2014, 03:14:48 PM »
therookie, we are working on adding an Article Builder API integration to our network of sites.  AB Will be adding new content daily and I might be interested.  Did this ever come to pass?

Patchworks,

Thanks for your feedback on this idea.  Since this thread has aged a bit it's best for you to send therookie a PM here on the forum if you haven't already.

Thanks.