Author Topic: Advertiser Suggestions (Read 1884 times)

7Driver · « **on:** June 22, 2010, 12:10:02 PM »

Now that the system has been live for a few weeks - I thought I'd make a few suggestions from an advertisers perspective. Perhaps other advertisers can chip-in with their thoughts.

First of all - this is a GREAT system - we're getting some good links, often quickly and it's pretty cost-effective too - so I'm very happy with it overall - thanks Jon!

* There's a bug, where the number of live links shown on the summary screen is often wrong - I've raised that one with support, so hopefully it'll be fixed soon.

* Some of the jobs I created a few weeks ago still have links outstanding. There's no real visibility within the system of the status of those outstanding links - it would be really helpful if they were listed as "outstanding" or "allocated" on the "list of live links" screen with a deadline date against them so we can see what's going on, and when we need to come back and check them. Right now, I'm just assuming they're going to get done "at some point".

That's the main thing about making the existing system work better.

Of course I've also got a wish list of a couple of things that would be "nice to have" from an advertiser's perspective:

* Ability to request a particular author
* Ability to request a particular article directory
* Ability to request "on topic" articles (possibly at a premium)

And one final thing: At the risk of being a turkey voting for Christmas here - I don't think Jon's making any money on this system. I'd be happy to pay a reasonable subscription, or a little extra per link or something like that. Not sure if any authors would be willing to do the same? Perhaps Jon already has something in mind.

The idea being that an income stream would allow some developments like the above, and promotion (particularly to other advertisers, since there seems to be a shortage of us right now), all of which might turn Cash4Links from being merely wonderful as it is now, to being "truly awesome".

leona · « **Reply #1 on:** June 22, 2010, 01:09:53 PM »

7Driver
Thanks for posting this, as a writer, I was looking to see if there is anything that I can improve upon for the advertiser links I get. Your suggestions are well thought out, I do hope other advertisers give their input as well.

And yes, some of my other forum conversations do include C4L

Leona

HoneyJo · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2010, 01:27:38 PM »

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And one final thing: At the risk of being a turkey voting for Christmas here - I don't think Jon's making any money on this system. I'd be happy to pay a reasonable subscription, or a little extra per link or something like that. Not sure if any authors would be willing to do the same?

7Driver,

I like all of you suggestions for improvement, with the exception of the one about the authors paying a fee.

Can't speak for the other authors, but I would not be willing to pay a fee, unless there were a system in place
that could guarantee a certain amount of articles and that writers would be paid extra for there articles.

As it is (again not sure about other authors), but I personally spend no less that 2 hours and many times up to 4 hours on an article.

Do research on the advertisers site, available product, etc. Google the keywords I have chosen.
Then draft an article based on what I think will help that particular site.
Next write the article, put it in a grammar check program, check for mistakes in writing and grammar, then TBS to see if there
are any words that will make the article more readable..
Back to the spelling and grammar program and make any corrections, after doing all this I re-paste it in TBS and run it through
a copyscape check.

Well I'll be it passed.. Now I send it to an article directory, it will just take about 10 minutes. (and on some directories must wait for an approval).

I love to write and am not complaining you understand, but 5.00 for all of the above..

Hummm! Did you really suggest that we may be interested in paying.

Joyce

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leona · « **Reply #3 on:** June 22, 2010, 01:40:29 PM »

Quote from: honeyjo on June 22, 2010, 01:27:38 PM

As it is (again not sure about other authors), but I personally spend no less that 2 hours and many times up to 4 hours on an article.

Do research on the advertisers site, available product, etc. Google the keywords I have chosen.
Then draft an article based on what I think will help that particular site.
Next write the article, put it in a grammar check program, check for mistakes in writing and grammar, then TBS to see if there
are any words that will make the article more readable..
Back to the spelling and grammar program and make any corrections, after doing all this I re-paste it in TBS and run it through
a copyscape check.

I love to write and am not complaining you understand, but 5.00 for all of the above..

Hummm! Did you really suggest that we may be interested in paying.

Joyce[/i]

Joyce
Your time on one link is commendable, I do understand you are not complaining, however, C4L was not set up as an article writing service, but as a cash for links service.

As an advertiser, it would seem the ability to ask for an "on topic" article at a higher price (as 7Driver has made the good suggestion here) would make more sense.

Leona

HoneyJo · « **Reply #4 on:** June 22, 2010, 01:55:39 PM »

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ask for an "on topic" article at a higher price (as 7Driver has made the good
suggestion here) would make more sense.

Right on again! Miss Sunshine!

7Driver · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2010, 02:30:29 PM »

You're right of course Joyce - based on the work you put in, I can see you wouldn't want less than $5.

(If my suggestion for being able to request specific writers, or premium on-topic links gain traction, then you and other writers putting in effort like that would stand to gain).

From the links I receive - I'm pretty sure that some other writers are adding links to articles they already have, so their workload is probably 10 minutes tops per article (probably less). They may have a bit more margin to play with!

Getting feedback from writers as well as advertisers is what this thread is for!

johnfrancis · « **Reply #6 on:** June 23, 2010, 11:23:10 PM »

Quote from: honeyjo on June 22, 2010, 01:27:38 PM

7Driver,

I like all of you suggestions for improvement, with the exception of the one about the authors paying a fee.

Can't speak for the other authors, but I would not be willing to pay a fee, unless there were a system in place
that could guarantee a certain amount of articles and that writers would be paid extra for there articles.

As it is (again not sure about other authors), but I personally spend no less that 2 hours and many times up to 4 hours on an article.

Do research on the advertisers site, available product, etc. Google the keywords I have chosen.
Then draft an article based on what I think will help that particular site.
Next write the article, put it in a grammar check program, check for mistakes in writing and grammar, then TBS to see if there
are any words that will make the article more readable..
Back to the spelling and grammar program and make any corrections, after doing all this I re-paste it in TBS and run it through
a copyscape check.

Well I'll be it passed.. Now I send it to an article directory, it will just take about 10 minutes. (and on some directories must wait for an approval).

I love to write and am not complaining you understand, but 5.00 for all of the above..

Hummm! Did you really suggest that we may be interested in paying.

Joyce

This is a cash for links sevice, not a cash for articles service. The links that I have been paid for have been placed in articles that were based on the topics of my sites, as I am also putting links to my sites in the article. I would not spend 2 hours on an article for someone else for only $5 that is simply a waste of my time.

I think it is a good point that we could ask for more money for an on-topic article, but again this is a cash for links service and there are plenty or article writing services already out there.

To make the service fairer Jon could implement a simple allocation of articles. We would all have been allocated a number when we joined the site, somewhere from 1-1000. The articles could be handed out based on those numbers, we could be given 1-2 weeks to write the article or it is passed on to another author, if an author fails to write two articles in a row then they will be reomoved from the system.

I would say that there are way less than 1000 active writers here, so that would quite quickly separate the wheat from the chaff, leaving just a dedicated few to write the articles and make the money. Thus the advertisers and the writers would be happier as the articles would be written faster and the money would be split evenly between a few people.

HoneyJo · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2010, 11:47:22 PM »

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I would not spend 2 hours on an article for someone else for only $5 that is simply a waste of my time.

Johnfrancis,

While I respect your decision, I do not by any means feel the same way.

When something has my name on it as author, it has got to be worthy of that.
Would no more consider just using one of my own articles than I would to eat dirt.

The way I see it, of course Jon set it up for us to advertise our own sites, and
make a few dollars while we do that. And I fully understand that. As a matter
of fact that is exactly what I have done.

My articles may take more time, but each one of them has a definite value to the
advertiser, but also value to myself (and my name) as the author.

No 'Garbage in - Garbage out' in any of my articles. I give the advertiser what I
think he/she needs.

I am not insinuating that other authors are not as diligent as I am, because I
know for a fact that some are.

Not only am I writing on topic articles for advertisers, my links go in as the author,
and my business is being built as we speak. You see my 2 hours spent on each C4L
article, is now bringing me clients on a daily basis.

Matter of fact, I have received five clients in the last two days, and my site for this
is not even completed.. Just the front page!

Thank you for the advertising in your quote,

Joyce

johnfrancis · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2010, 01:07:42 AM »

Quote from: honeyjo on June 23, 2010, 11:47:22 PM

Johnfrancis,

While I respect your decision, I do not by any means feel the same way.

When something has my name on it as author, it has got to be worthy of that.
Would no more consider just using one of my own articles than I would to eat dirt.

The way I see it, of course Jon set it up for us to advertise our own sites, and
make a few dollars while we do that. And I fully understand that. As a matter
of fact that is exactly what I have done.

My articles may take more time, but each one of them has a definite value to the
advertiser, but also value to myself (and my name) as the author.

No 'Garbage in - Garbage out' in any of my articles. I give the advertiser what I
think he/she needs.

I am not insinuating that other authors are not as diligent as I am, because I
know for a fact that some are.

Not only am I writing on topic articles for advertisers, my links go in as the author,
and my business is being built as we speak. You see my 2 hours spent on each C4L
article, is now bringing me clients on a daily basis.

Matter of fact, I have received five clients in the last two days, and my site for this
is not even completed.. Just the front page!

Thank you for the advertising in your quote,

Joyce[/color]

Good for you Joyce and I wish you all the best, I hope you can use this to build an excellent business for yourself.

I hope my last comment did not come across as rude.

I too spend a lot of time on my articles as they have my name on them, however any research I do will be on topics that help my sites, not the peoples whose links I am adding from here. As I see it the $5 is for a link plain and simple, not an article.

However, if I am wrong and I should be writing about the advertisers topic then maybe that should be clarified by Jon so we are all on the same page.

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HoneyJo · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2010, 07:20:14 AM »

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I too spend a lot of time on my articles as they have my name on them, however any research I do will be on topics that help my sites, not the peoples whose links I am adding from here. As I see it the $5 is for a link plain and simple, not an article.However, if I am wrong and I should be writing about the advertisers topic then maybe that should be clarified by Jon so we are all on the same page.

Johnfrancis,

First, I did not consider your comment as rude, it was just illustrating your objectives for your personal business.

'Jon has clarified what he set it up for'.
It was set up for us to make a few dollars while still writing & submitting articles to advertise our sites.

You made a good comment not an rude one! And, you are doing exactly what Jon intended writers to do.

But as you can tell we all have our own objectives. Yours it most likely to add to (and build on) an existing business,
while picking up a few dollars from C4L.

My objectives with C4L is to follow my writing passion, and to build a completely new business, focusing on that
passion.

The contacts (and friends) I have made through C4L, in addition to the things I have been able to learn by writing
for C4L ARE PRICELESS and add multitudes to the 5.00 per article.

Therefore, for me to do a little more work for the advertisers is really a pleasure and a plus.

Raining it The Woods of East Texas here today, and it's my birthday..

I Love the Rain! 'Now if I could just teach my dog to use her Potty Patch!' Unfortunately, she thinks it's
another bed!!!!

Joyce

leona · « **Reply #10 on:** June 24, 2010, 11:03:15 AM »

Quote from: honeyjo on June 24, 2010, 07:20:14 AM

My objectives with C4L is to follow my writing passion, and to build a completely new business, focusing on that passion.

The contacts (and friends) I have made through C4L, in addition to the things I have been able to learn by writing for C4L ARE PRICELESS and add multitudes to the 5.00 per article.

Therefore, for me to do a little more work for the advertisers is really a pleasure and a plus.

Raining it The Woods of East Texas here today, and it's my birthday..

Joyce

Joyce,
Happy Birthday to you, you work in a zoo (we're all animals here

)
Glad you could see your way to make a biz from C4L, wish you less work and more prosperity in the coming year.
Leona

HoneyJo · « **Reply #11 on:** June 24, 2010, 11:16:01 AM »

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Happy Birthday to you, you work in a zoo (we're all animals here Grin)

Thank you very much Miss Sunshine,

I really appreciate your birthday wishes, and you are right about the Zoo!

But, I love C4L and the forum, a lot of the people on here have become
like a second family to me.

'Exactly like my family (Most Crazy) one way or the other'!

Thanks again,

Joyce

Tradeview · « **Reply #12 on:** June 25, 2010, 05:33:33 PM »

Quote from: 7Driver on June 22, 2010, 12:10:02 PM

Now that the system has been live for a few weeks - I thought I'd make a few suggestions from an advertisers perspective. Perhaps other advertisers can chip-in with their thoughts.

First of all - this is a GREAT system - we're getting some good links, often quickly and it's pretty cost-effective too - so I'm very happy with it overall - thanks Jon!

* There's a bug, where the number of live links shown on the summary screen is often wrong - I've raised that one with support, so hopefully it'll be fixed soon.

* Some of the jobs I created a few weeks ago still have links outstanding. There's no real visibility within the system of the status of those outstanding links - it would be really helpful if they were listed as "outstanding" or "allocated" on the "list of live links" screen with a deadline date against them so we can see what's going on, and when we need to come back and check them. Right now, I'm just assuming they're going to get done "at some point".

That's the main thing about making the existing system work better.

Of course I've also got a wish list of a couple of things that would be "nice to have" from an advertiser's perspective:

* Ability to request a particular author
* Ability to request a particular article directory
* Ability to request "on topic" articles (possibly at a premium)

And one final thing: At the risk of being a turkey voting for Christmas here - I don't think Jon's making any money on this system. I'd be happy to pay a reasonable subscription, or a little extra per link or something like that. Not sure if any authors would be willing to do the same? Perhaps Jon already has something in mind.

The idea being that an income stream would allow some developments like the above, and promotion (particularly to other advertisers, since there seems to be a shortage of us right now), all of which might turn Cash4Links from being merely wonderful as it is now, to being "truly awesome".

You can get "work for hire" done elsewhere. This isn't setup for that sort of thing. And I don't think Jon wants to go in that direction or else he would have done it from the get go. There are plenty of services providing that already.

As for paying a fee to write an article for $5 .. PO-LEEZ

Surely, you jest!

Jon not making any money on this? ... aren't we publishing links left and right for his products? What would you call that?

SunGlynis · « **Reply #13 on:** June 25, 2010, 06:56:16 PM »

As someone who has tried advertising with this system, I agree with most of 7Driver's ideas.

I'd love to advertise more, but the incredible lag between paying for links and actually receiving links makes it all prohibitive (it's to a point where you become skeptical you'll ever receive those links). Most of you guys just see the available links disappear because people "claim" them right quick. Advertisers often don't see the actual links they paid for show up in the system for several weeks after they paid for them (if they show up at all). Perhaps some directories really take a month to approve and publish an article. Perhaps some of the people who claim a link are just slackers. I don't know.

Additionally, most of those links come from the same one or two directories (limiting their value to some extent) and most often they are completely unrelated. I've been in SEO long enough to understand that from a pure link juice perspective relevance doesn't matter much, but it still makes these links at least somewhat less valuable in the long run.

I appreciate that some people are actually writing relevant articles and submitting them, but I can tell you from an advertiser's perspective, that is by far the minority. Most people are just sticking the link in an unrelated article that is already published somewhere.

Having someone like HoneyJo getting paid $5 for putting significant time and effort into a link submission while someone else made 5 times as much as her with only 5 minutes of work by just adding links to existing unrelated articles... something just seems a bit off about that.

leona · « **Reply #14 on:** June 25, 2010, 07:02:59 PM »

Quote from: Tradeview on June 25, 2010, 05:33:33 PM

Jon not making any money on this? ... aren't we publishing links left and right for his products? What would you call that?

Hey Tradeview
Glad to see your positive posts, they do give a lot of useful information.

As for your comment here - I do believe Jon would be making the same money as anyone else who pays the $5 for each link in an article directory.

I think the point that was being made was the fact that if you pay $5 for a link in an article; the one submitting the link gets paid that $5 - the middle man (C4L, or Jon) gets nothing. That is what I understood from the statement you refer to here.

Keep up the positive suggestions for new products, and the positive helps for the forum posters - your forum "persona" shines through all your posts.

Leona

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