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What is the best way to put traffic and competition figures on them?

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Re: KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2013, 01:20:27 PM »
What is the best way to put traffic and competition figures on them?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Roger


See if this helps: http://jlforums.com/keyword-snatcher-2-0/using-keyword-snatcher-2/

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Re: KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2013, 10:24:03 PM »
What is the best way to put traffic and competition figures on them?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Roger

The output from the tool is random without focus - and that's OK. ;) So the chances of finding a long tail search term that also has traffic but is viable in terms of competition is pretty small. But that's probably NOT the best way to approach the use of these terms.
Instead, understand that each of these suggestions has been used by at least one real human bean, Google does not (as far as we know) invent these terms.

I'd be using these terms as content generation ideas, use the output as titles for articles. Where possible seeking out phrases that are action oriented using words such as: buy, how, where, cheap, especially when connected with brand names that are relevant to your objectives.

I guarantee that you will see good rankings for a lot of articles written in this way and while the traffic may be low (but sometimes not) if it is motivated, converting traffic then volume is almost irrelevant. Put it this way, if you write an article that costs you $4.00 on a term that is a high converting one, a nice action phrase, and you get 4 visitors to the page from SERPS because of the keywords and you make a sale worth $40 how do you feel about the value of that term?

The thing about numbers generated by pretty much any keyword tool based upon Google's publicly available data is that it may well be measuring the wrong things. The benefit of a long tail discovery tool such as this one is that it gives you data that is missed by normal tools because the metrics are different. What good is ranking high for a researched keyword that nobody will ever use immediately before taking an action profitable to the webmaster? How much better to ranking for a low traffic 'real' term that converts well.

Use the easy to rank volume terms as umbrella terms for the site as a whole and then use the genuinely long tail terms for doing 'real' business - but forget about automating your content production because nobody but a human is ever likely to write an article with a title such as 'how to avoid snakes while camping' or 'how to handle refinance in Quicken' but both are terms that are likely to be used by folks wanting to take action.

Just this afternoon I knocked out an AdSense site; we used Keyword Canine to drill into the top level niche (an ArticleBuilder niche). I found a term that was rated as easy to rank but that exceeded certain criteria for traffic and CPC. That term became the 'umbrella term' for the site.
I then used a keyword research tool, NOT Keyword Snatcher in this case but I do use KS, to pull up a series of long tail phrases derived from Google's Suggest tool that were all questions related to the niche and used them for setting up subsidiary pages, meta data and internal linking. The client now has a long list of suggested titles for his content creation as well as keyword research in both the top level niche and the one into which we drilled. The content from ArticleBuilder will serve to provide additional long tail keywords and more AdSense opportunities but I bet that without doing too much extra work apart from creating a few articles this site will become a bit of an authority in its little niche. :)
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Re: KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2013, 12:54:21 PM »
I use a tool called Keyword Grouper (http://keywordgrouper.com/demo) ($29) to take a first hack a whittling down KWS2 to a manageable level in helping me determine the type of articles to create.

For example, I input a list of 600 words and specified that I only wanted to see groups that contained 10 or more related keywords within the group. It came back with a grouping of 29.  Here's what it showed for just 2 of the groups:

New Ad Group: Home Based Businesses (14)
Keywords: best home based businesses, best home based businesses for women, home based businesses, home based businesses for moms, home based businesses for sale, home based businesses for women, legitimate home based businesses, list of home based businesses, most successful home based businesses, profitable home based businesses, successful home based businesses, top 10 home based businesses, top home based businesses, home based internet businesses

New Ad Group: Work At Home (21)
Keywords: best work at home business, free work at home, free work at home jobs, how to work at home, legitimate work at home, legitimate work at home jobs, legitimate work at home opportunities, work at home, work at home business, work at home business ideas, work at home business opportunities, work at home business opportunity, work at home businesses, work at home companies, work at home ideas, work at home job, work at home jobs, work at home moms, work at home online, work at home opportunities, at home work

So in this case, I could generates two articles (Work at Home & Home Based Businesses) and those articles would be found by those folks who typed the keywords within each "Ad Group").

Hope this helps...
« Last Edit: August 02, 2013, 03:48:10 AM by Eliot Proud »

Re: KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2013, 07:36:38 PM »
I use a tool called Keyword Grouper (http://keywordgrouper.com/demo) ($29) to take a first hack a whittling down KWS2 to a manageable level in helping me determine the type of articles to create.


Thanks!  This would be a great tool to use to categorize the terms on your web site.  Just create a category for each group and have the keyword pages in that category.  This should give you a double SEO boost for the keywords.
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Re: KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2013, 02:44:22 AM »
That looks like a handy tool indeed.

Re: KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2013, 08:46:02 PM »
That looks like a handy tool indeed.

It is -- just remember to delete non-alphabetic and non-numeric characters (&#();' etc.) from the Keyword Snatcher results prior to pasting those results into the Keyword Grouper Tool (otherwise the tool will blow-up...)

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Re: KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2013, 05:32:40 AM »
Thanks for the great info ppdeagle. Can you tell me from your example, what would be the keyword phrases you'd use for your articles?

You said that you "could generates two articles (Work at Home & Home Based Businesses)".

I'm not understanding. It looks like you can create 14 articles for the keyword phrases for the group "Home Based Businesses" and 21 articles for the group "Work At Home" using the keywords shown.

Can you please clarify?

Also, can you please tell us the settings you use for Keyword Grouper to produce these keyword groups? I'm really thinking of buying this. Have you been successful in using this with Keyword Snatcher 2 to get more traffic to your offers or products?

Thanks much, GRF
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KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2013, 07:41:16 AM »
It's a great little tool (bought is yesterday) really well thought out - I take it it's your tool ppdegal?

Re: KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2013, 08:25:44 AM »
s a great little tool (bought is yesterday) really well thought out - I take it it's your tool ppdegal?

I'm just a user -- I didn't create the tool but I am very happy with it as well...

Re: KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2013, 08:43:39 AM »
Can you tell me from your example, what would be the keyword phrases you'd use for your articles?You said that you "could generates two articles (Work at Home & Home Based Businesses)".I'm not understanding. It looks like you can create 14 articles for the keyword phrases for the group "Home Based Businesses" and 21 articles for the group "Work At Home" using the keywords shown.Can you please clarify?

My strategy would be to write an article for each group heading.  The title of the article would contain the words in the group heading. Each article would contain the keyword phrases listed under the group heading. Yes you are correct -- you could write an article on each of the words listed under each group heading.  NOTE: I am new to article writing; perhaps one of our more experienced forum members could expand on the best strategy to use with this tool...

Re: KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2013, 08:59:45 AM »
Also, can you please tell us the settings you use for Keyword Grouper to produce these keyword groups? I'm really thinking of buying this. Have you been successful in using this with Keyword Snatcher 2 to get more traffic to your offers or products?


Here are the settings I use:


At this point, I'm using both tools to create my blog's silo structure. 


Once I've defined the structure of my blog, I'll know what articles to write based on Keyword Grouper's output.

Re: KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2013, 02:27:43 AM »
Thanks for the sharing that info pddeagle!

Some pretty cool keyword manipulation tools here too:

www (dot) jumbokeyword.com   (*not my site, honest!)

(go to the red 'JUMBO keyword' tab)

Re: KWS2 produces Huge Lists (great) but which do you start with?
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2013, 12:02:34 AM »
I've seen remarks about huge lists and 10,000+ keywords.  Today I put in a two word term that I thought might be a reasonable top level term.  I stopped Keyword Snatcher at 51,000 keywords.   :o