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Using Dashes in EMD Names?
« on: June 18, 2013, 07:06:05 AM »
I'm trying to use Keyword Cannine to create some of my own Niche Jet types sites and want to know if EMD names with dashes between the words will still rank if following the 7-step process?

A lot of the phrases I find in KC don't have a corresponding EMD name available.

Does anyone have any feedback on this?

Re: Using Dashes in EMD Names?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2013, 10:22:35 AM »
Yes, they absolutely will and we're getting great results using EMD's, with and without dashes.

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Re: Using Dashes in EMD Names?
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2013, 11:12:10 AM »
Dashes do not hurt.  I have used domains with dashes for years.  I always love it when some "expert" comes along and states don't buy domain names that contain dashes.  The majority follow the "experts" which means less competition for me for the domain names I want.

My first choice is a domain name without a dash but if not available I will not hesitate to buy a domain name with a dash in it.  And I prefer a .com domain with a dash over a .net without the dash.

I prefer .com, then .org, then .net.  But I will buy any of the other TLDs if these three are not available if it will get me the EMD.  But I will not buy the higher price tld's.

If you are not aiming at the U.S. or World market then I would buy the tld of the country in which you live.  I haven't tested but I have read in forums that I respect that for local search the tld for the country in which you live will rank higher than the major three.  But since I live in the U.S. and aim for that and the World market I have not tested this.


Re: Using Dashes in EMD Names?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2013, 12:08:14 PM »
We're not releasing the specific data, not yet anyway, but I will tell you that an EMD domain without dashes is better. Dashes don't "hurt" anything, I agree. But EMD's still get a boost. And EMD's without dashes are ranking better than EMD's with dashes. That I guarantee.

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Re: Using Dashes in EMD Names?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2013, 01:58:02 PM »
I won't reveal domain names either but I own several EMD's with dashes that are outranking EMDs without dashes for the exact match keyword.  I have one that has position #1 and is earning $350 a month while the EMD domain has position #7.   The five sites between my dashed EMD site and the EMD site are not EMD, but do use the exact match keyword in the domain name as the category or file name.   

I find it better to have the exact keyword match as a category name than as a file name when you do not have the EMD.  Just my findings this year.

While I prefer the non-dash EMD IF it is available, I will not hesitate to buy a dashed EMD and take on established non-dashed EMDs for rankings.  I simply do not find the dash in the domain name makes a difference if you do the other things you should do to rank. 

I DO find it makes a difference in selling the site. Buyers will pay more for the non-dashed EMD.  I can receive several hundred more for a non-dashed domain over what I will receive for a dashed domain.  Which is the only reason I try to buy domains without dashes if they are available.

So I no longer hesitate to go after a good keyword if all the EMD domains are gone, dashed or not.  I can always use the category or file name to get the exact match for the keyword.  Last year EMD gave a large boost in ranking. Today Google gives the keyword anywhere in the URL almost as much boost as they do the EMD, and will give it more boost if you don't understand on-page SEO.

Re: Using Dashes in EMD Names?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2013, 02:35:49 PM »
I agree that straight EMDs still provide a boost.  No matter what anyone tries to tell you, they do.  I've built about 20 sites since the 2012 penguin and have had no probs getting them or partial match domains ranked.

Good job on NicheJet fellas :)
« Last Edit: June 19, 2013, 07:25:54 PM by Michael Brown »

Re: Using Dashes in EMD Names?
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2013, 06:55:00 PM »
I won't reveal domain names either but I own several EMD's with dashes that are outranking EMDs without dashes for the exact match keyword.  I have one that has position #1 and is earning $350 a month while the EMD domain has position #7.   The five sites between my dashed EMD site and the EMD site are not EMD, but do use the exact match keyword in the domain name as the category or file name.   

I find it better to have the exact keyword match as a category name than as a file name when you do not have the EMD.  Just my findings this year.

While I prefer the non-dash EMD IF it is available, I will not hesitate to buy a dashed EMD and take on established non-dashed EMDs for rankings.  I simply do not find the dash in the domain name makes a difference if you do the other things you should do to rank. 

I DO find it makes a difference in selling the site. Buyers will pay more for the non-dashed EMD.  I can receive several hundred more for a non-dashed domain over what I will receive for a dashed domain.  Which is the only reason I try to buy domains without dashes if they are available.

So I no longer hesitate to go after a good keyword if all the EMD domains are gone, dashed or not.  I can always use the category or file name to get the exact match for the keyword.  Last year EMD gave a large boost in ranking. Today Google gives the keyword anywhere in the URL almost as much boost as they do the EMD, and will give it more boost if you don't understand on-page SEO.


We're looking at 2 week old data from 1,000+ sites. An EMD with dashes does not get the EMD "boost."

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Re: Using Dashes in EMD Names?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2013, 07:43:49 AM »
We can each only go by our own experiences.  I currently only operate 153 domains and only build a few new sites each month now.  At one time I was building 10000 new 500 page sites a month using TE software but that type of site will no longer generates massive streams of income.

So today you must combine knowledge with good automation tools to rank your sites high enough in the search engines to earn a decent income.

So perhaps my ability to rank dashed EMD domain names above non-dashed EMD domain names doesn't have anything to do with any type of "bounce' but is just my ability to outrank those who are using the non-dashed domain names that I am competing against.

As I stated twice now, I prefer EMD domains without dashes if available.  But whether an EMD is available is no longer much of a factor for me when I decide to tackle a keyword or not.  In fact I am moving away from building "thin" sites using EMD domains as I suspect thin sites have a limited future with the changes that Google is making.

This is what makes a membership in articlebuilder.net so valuable now.  You can use "Pages" to build your base site with unique or semi-unique content while using "Posts" to add AB content so the site does not appear to be a "thin" site. 

It would be nice if AB allowed you to add randomness to the auto-posting, where you could set it to drip one or two articles, every one, two or three days, at different times of the day, where the number added and the day to add was set to a random basis.  Adding a new site every day or every second day or every third does not look that natural as compared to the average blog.

That is what is smart about these Niche Jet sites.  While they start out as "thin starter" sites with only one page of real content they appear to Google and the other search engines to be large sites with a lot of content due to their use of AB.  The buyer can then add unique content as the site moves up in the search engines. 

Smart keyword research, good site design and back link building are the cornerstones of ranking a site with the search engines.  Niche Jet provides all three at an affordable price.  So all the buyer needs to do is continue the link building and add a few new articles with unique content as the site moves up in the search engines.