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wow... thats an interesting strategy.. quite different to others ive been discovering... im only new to the current state of things so loads more to learn im sure.. for now i will focus on 1 site... so i can see how everything goes together from top to bottom... then i will expand out.. and maybe use that technique :)

Two additional points to make:
1) In many topics it is almost certain that there will be some apparent duplication becasue of the jargon and stock phrases used in the subject. Copyscape, the leading plagiarism indication tool uses word groups (shingles) of three words and so it will pick up on 3 (or more) string combinations for duplication. Two word combos are so common that they are ignored.

2) The leading tool, Copyscape, is no longer a very good arbiter of uniqueness. Their index is no longer as comprehensive as it was when the Web was younger. It is still fast and useful but far from being an exhaustive check. The only way that I know of is to paste strings into Google or Bing's search tools and see what they turn up. Both Google and BIng have at least one copy of the entire Internet on their servers but even this is not foolproof as it is not possible to check an entire document and both major search engines provide a personalised, edited view of the Internet to individual searchers.

That leads to a third point, by accident. It has long been suggested that an article that is more than 30% unique compared to other pages on the Internet will be treated as unique by SEs. That seems to be roughly true, however, I have seen that content where the information load is significantly different to other versions tends to do better than articles where the words are different, paragraph order is different but the ideas and facts expressed are substantially the same.

So, a little bit of duplication does no harm at all, but the est case is where the information provided is spun as well. I do that by having several paragraphs that are spun in and out at random giving  not only a different structure but also different information.

regarding point 3: how to check if my completely rewritten article is at least 30% unique compared to other pages on the internet? is there such a tool?

and for discussion, a question if i may.....
TBS is considered the best tool for manual control of article spinning, although i have written my first article by manually rewriting a complete article and therefore i have just 1 article.. how do i go about using the full power of TBS to generate many versions.. what i mean is.. where would i use all these generated versions of an article?
having 1 article is simple, i just post it to a site.. but it doesnt make sense to post 100 variations of an article to the same site/blog... so im curious how to use such articles... my plan is to build a website that will make some income from advertising links.. im just getting started so im curious how to maximise the site potential by funneling traffic from social media etc.... if my question is not suited to here then even pointing me in the right direction to a site or anything would be appreciated.

The Best Spinner 3 / latest update on TBS Check functionality
« on: March 02, 2017, 07:57:16 AM »

i just got message from support that the TBS Check is no longer being supported, and users are now required to use Copyscape, which means paying for third party service

not updating the software and still also providing tutorials instructing to use TBS Check is false advertising as it is what the software is being sold as being able to do.

sweet, i will give that a try...

i dont really need a customer thesaurus, but its handy to know if i ever did need it then how to make it work properly for some folks who might use a particular writing style, such as novelists.. im no novelist though, hahaha.

General Chatter / Where to say thank you?
« on: February 26, 2017, 06:44:40 AM »
Hi peoples.

i just wanted to take a moment to thank JL and Meg and the helpdesk/support team.

Ive spent years wanting to build a website, and as happens to most of us we get caught up doing other "more important" things.

Well i took the leap and purchased The Best Spinner.

Sure theres "reviews" that sometimes rank other spinners as being better in some ways, but all accounts rank The Best Spinner as the premier solution for manual spinning, which for me i prefer to do as it gives the personal touch to finished articles.

So anyhows.. its taken me a week to input an fairly lengthy (by my lazy standards, haha) article, and mess around with spinning here and there, and facing some software issues along the way i have finished my first article of 1900 words, which on Megs advice i used plagiarism checkers to detect any sentences i needed to adjust further so as to keep the article 100% original.

This wouldnt have happened without 3 things.. 1. the software which is fantastic for manual spinning, 2. the help desk, sorry guys i cant remember your names, and 3. Meg.. a dedicated forum moderator who patiently deals with the many innocuous questions thrown in the many forum sections.

So especially to Meg..  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* thank you sooo much for your patience and assistance... i feel like im finally on my way to building a personal blog that i hope i can next learn to (white/grey hat) monetise effectively. once i can get some coin coming in i will be reinvesting in other tools to speed up and improve different processes... and then i may have loads more questions for you :) hahaha.

many kind regards,

New Product Ideas / Re: TBS3: suggested changes to the "Uniqueness" logic
« on: February 26, 2017, 01:08:39 AM »
aaah i see, so basically the more synonyms and sentence (word combinations) restructing i can do then the higher the percentage because each is relative to another including the original article...

okies that makes sense, so i guess for 1 article the best option is to simply do as your method which is paragraph>sentence>word/phrase spinning and use online checker tools to see if can ensure the article is in fact unique and not deemed to be plagiarized.

many thanks Meg :)

The Best Spinner 3 / TBS3: Custom Thesaurus fails to work properly.
« on: February 25, 2017, 10:46:33 PM »
i just tested the "Create New Thesaurus"

naming and describing the new thesaurus, i closed the window, and TBS3 immediately went to work and found there were no synonyms (of course its a new thesaurus :) )

so i tried to add a new word/phrase, that had the pipe symbol for multiple suggestions, this gave the same Object error as is standard with this software, so i decided to Continue.

After this i thought it best to go back to standard thesaurus, but in the newly created "My Custom Thesaurus" was not in the list, and i was unable to select the Standard Thesaurus.

so i went back to main screen, and discovered all my article was gone, wiped clean, so i forced TBS3 to close (error every time as usual) , and reopened it.

TBS3 then continued with a new, and repeated type of error box no matter what i tried to do to use the original article txt file.

the workaround to recover my data was to open notepad, and copy everything across to word, then copy from word into TBS3 and resave the file as though it was new.

so basically theres serious issues with the thesaurus functionality that may cause unsuspecting users to loose all their data if they dont know how to workaround the issue that shouldnt exist in the first place.

New Product Ideas / TBS3: suggested changes to the "Uniqueness" logic
« on: February 25, 2017, 07:24:12 PM »
After going through the official tutorial videos, and the "Advanced Spinning techniques" by Matthew Woodward, i have some suggestions.

The advice given in the tutorials is to do sentence spinning first, and follow that with word/phrase spinning.

I have noticed that if i do sentence spinning, the "uniqueness" seems low, which is understandable, however word/phrase spins appear to be given higher weighting when added to the original sentence.

for example:
Code: [Select]
{to be or not to be|not to be or to be}
can become:
{{to be|to become} {or not|or otherwise} {to be|to get}|not to be or to be}
Unique: 6%
{to be or not to be|{not to|never to} be {or to|in order to} be}
Unique: 4%

so it seems that spinning the sentence then including synonyms in the second sentence have a lower uniqueness than spinning words in the first sentence and including synonyms in the second sentence.

In appreciation of the "do sentence spinning first" logic, it would seem to be more sensible for the software to pre-select the rewritten/spun sentence as a priority therefore giving a higher percent that the article is unique in its new sentence structure, and then word/phrase spinning would not need to carry as much importance, for example.
"European travellers and geologists"
"Geologists and travellers from Europe"

as we can see here is that its not entirely practical to change the location or the job titles, but the sentence is indeed rewritten/spun, so this should yield a high uniqueness, but actually it is only 5% unique.

the reason for my suggestion is that i have spun a rather lengthy article, and even though i have completely replaced many words with their synonym in the second sentence, the uniqueness is low, but if i add synonym words and phrases to the first sentence then i am given a much higher uniqueness.

i proved this after trying to raise uniqueness in the article i have done from about 31%.. but after removing the variable choices from the first sentence and only left the completely reworded second sentence as a choice i noticed the uniqueness drop to 18%.

now while the current spinning uniqueness algorithm may be suitable for writing multiple articles, whereby the original sentence structure may be retained in its entirety or even word/phrase synonyms are used in it, it is not so appropriate when a singe article is required to be completely rewritten as to appear new.

i am aware that there is a feature for "replace" and this is very good for exchanging words for a single article, it does not allow the user to accurately calculate that their article, even after being spun, is completely unique to other articles on the internet.

i guess the reason for my suggestion is that currently im having issue with the TBS Check where it errors out when trying to check, so to have the algorithm tailored that when a single article is spun by preselecting a synonym sentence as a priority and be able to correctly identify within the software that it is indeed unique would give a greater sense of satisfaction and security despite not being able to complete the online check.

hi there again,

im just going through the tutorials and following through some activities.

right now im at "TBS3 2-6 Preparing Spun Articles for Publication"

when trying to perform the "TBS Check" i get an error, as named in the title.

also to note is that i do have internet connection as i am able to browse and download files in the backgreound, and the error only occurs after hanging at the stage of "Comparing texts..."

i have already been through the troubleshooting guide and 2 points are made "check your online".. which i am, and "it can take 60 seconds for comparing".. which is where the problem occurs.

here are the details of the error:
Code: [Select]
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
   at TheBestSpinner.EasyHttp.Send(String URL, String PostData, HTTPMethod Method, String ContentType)
   at TheBestSpinner.DuplicateChecker.CheckForDuplicates(String text)
   at TheBestSpinner.SpinDocumentTab.btnTBSChecker_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
   at Syncfusion.Windows.Forms.ButtonAdv.OnClick(EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
   at Syncfusion.Windows.Forms.ButtonAdv.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

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    CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework64/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version:
    CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/TheBestSpinner3/TheBestSpinner.exe
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version: 8.0.50727.8745 (WinRel.050727-8700)
    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/Microsoft.VisualBasic/
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.8745 (WinRel.050727-8700)
    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/
    Assembly Version:
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    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/
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    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/
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    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Runtime.Remoting/
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version:
    CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/TheBestSpinner3/Syncfusion.Tools.Windows.DLL
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version:
    CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/TheBestSpinner3/Syncfusion.Shared.Base.DLL
    Assembly Version:
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    CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/TheBestSpinner3/Syncfusion.Core.DLL
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.8745 (WinRel.050727-8700)
    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Deployment/
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    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Runtime.Serialization.Formatters.Soap/
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.8745 (WinRel.050727-8700)
    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version:
    CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/TheBestSpinner3/Keyoti.RapidSpell.NET2.DLL
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.8745 (WinRel.050727-8700)
    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_64/System.Data/
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.8745 (WinRel.050727-8700)
    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/Accessibility/
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.8745 (WinRel.050727-8700)
    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.8745 (WinRel.050727-8700)
    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_64/System.Web/
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.8745 (WinRel.050727-8700)
    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.8745 (WinRel.050727-8700)
    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Design/
    Assembly Version:
    Win32 Version: 3.5.30729.8763 built by: WinRel
    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Core/
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    Win32 Version: 7.0.3300.0
    CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC/Microsoft.mshtml/7.0.3300.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/Microsoft.mshtml.dll
    Assembly Version:
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    CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/TheBestSpinner3/HtmlHelper.DLL

************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging

For example:

    <system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.

i hope this is something simple to fix, many thanks!

The Best Spinner 3 / Re: TBS3: thesaurus "in" is given as "rrn"
« on: February 23, 2017, 05:36:55 PM »
Hi Meg,

the built in features for TBS allow users to "add" new terms, but these are not stored locally, I've checked this by adding in a word, and then selecting the next occurrence of the same word i had previously selected and it didn't have my new word listed from local storage. it may be that it takes time to update the standard thesaurus... hmm im not sure....

further to my OP, i have seen some ridiculous offerings, something like this (but not actual and i cant check because i already deleted the stupid offerings) lets say i select the word "temperature".. i then get offered "great fitting shoes from Zelows", or "Tom wears a black hat".....

I have no idea how 2 people can be typing in the same ridiculous statement as an alternative so i can only assume that its some kids who think they are being funny by adding such things :)

i think the thesaurus could be greatly improved by having a developer crafting default words that cannot be deleted or changed, and then allowing user added words that can be deleted if its something silly as i mentioned above.

anyway these are no major problem as the software does what it says it should, and this forum, along with the how to videos (in youtube) by matthew woodward, are a great help to get momentum with content creation.

before TBS i was a bit apprehensive to actually start building a blog, but now i have no fear of creating good content, not just because TBS can spin articles, but because it is also helping me to think of content writing in more dynamic ways.

The Best Spinner 3 / TBS3: thesaurus "in" is given as "rrn"
« on: February 20, 2017, 06:02:03 PM »
hi there,

ive discovered that the thesaurus has a corruption where in the list of suggestions, whenever the suggestion would include the word "in".. such as "in the", "in their", "in all", "inside" etc etc... it is always corrupted to be "rrn the", "rrn their", "rrn all", "rrnside".

if possible someone can look into the issue and have it repaired.

also I would like to know how to add to the thesaurus database?
many thanks :)

many thanks Meg, much appreciated.

The Best Spinner 3 / TBS3: missing Super Spun Articles & 1.7 GB HQ Images
« on: February 20, 2017, 08:10:14 AM »
as per the title, ive bought, downloaded, installed, and playing with TBS3..

but I cant find any Super Spun Articles, and also theres no HQ Images, so I guess I'm supposed to download it all from somewhere.

but where?

many thanks.

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