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does google penalize text in the same colour than in an image behind the text?

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Offline xxl

Hello,

I hope, i found the right forum. Otherwise please redirekt it.

I´m working newly with magix extrem web designer. A great program for doing websites, easy to use, endless possibilities and affordable, but . . .
I changes a lot of things into graphics, including texts sometimes.

So I have beautiful graphics for the title and so on, but not readable for google. So I need to repeat the title as a text, because I don´t want to miss the beautiful title graphic.

Therefore I must work with some tricks.
I have a yellow background given by a graphic and write the text again in exactly the same yellow colour to have the information available. So it is not visible for the reader. But the reader sees the graphic.

I guess, that the same colour in a text and the text background is easy to find for google, and will be seen as an attempt to fool the readers.
Here it is somewhat different. The background is a graphic. As far as I know, google cannot read or evaluate graphic.

So this should not be a problem?!
Or does anybody have a different view of things?
Any idears to that are welcome and appreciated.

thanks in advance
Anton

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Hello,

I hope, i found the right forum. Otherwise please redirekt it.

I´m working newly with magix extrem web designer. A great program for doing websites, easy to use, endless possibilities and affordable, but . . .
I changes a lot of things into graphics, including texts sometimes.

So I have beautiful graphics for the title and so on, but not readable for google. So I need to repeat the title as a text, because I don´t want to miss the beautiful title graphic.

Therefore I must work with some tricks.
I have a yellow background given by a graphic and write the text again in exactly the same yellow colour to have the information available. So it is not visible for the reader. But the reader sees the graphic.

I guess, that the same colour in a text and the text background is easy to find for google, and will be seen as an attempt to fool the readers.
Here it is somewhat different. The background is a graphic. As far as I know, google cannot read or evaluate graphic.

So this should not be a problem?!
Or does anybody have a different view of things?
Any idears to that are welcome and appreciated.

thanks in advance
Anton
If your title is a graphic, you should be able to label it in the same way as you do a picture. For example, if you had a photograph on your website of a giraffe, you could add an "Alt" tab saying something like "Giraffe photographed in the wild". You should do the same for your graphic text. Add an "Alt" tag that explains what it is. THEN, you don't get penalised by Google for trying to fool anyone AND you are adding additional information which should help you rank. Especially (I understand) you should make your "Alt" text something that relates to your website. Say for example, your graphic text says "Special Shoes from Shoedex" (totally made up). Then your "Alt" text might say "Special shoes from Shoedex" or it might say "Shoedex shoes available from mywebsite.address.etc.
I understand (but do not KNOW from my own experience) that Google apparently penalises sites for what it sees as an attempt to defraud by using "invisible" text, which is what you have described, but rewards (maybe very small amount) for "Alt" text. I do not know your web site program but the one I use has a right click command for graphics (including graphic text) called "Image export options". This allows you to add "alt" text as well as manage the image types, such as jpg, png, etc.

Offline xxl

Hi Meg,

thanks for Your comment.
I know about the alt text for images.
The point here is, that I need html commands for the title like this:
<h1>Title</h1>

It is said, that google counts h1 to h3 texts much stronger than normal text.
Maybe this is not true, but in the moment I have to believe it.
(By the way, does anybody knows for shure how google counts that title texts inside h1, h2 or h3???)

Back to the point. The ALT-texts cannot be used with html, at least not in my programm.
So I have to use tricks.
And here we are.

Any comments are welcome.
Anton

 
« Last Edit: April 01, 2010, 01:15:03 PM by xxl »

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Hi Meg,

thanks for Your comment.
I know about the alt text for images.
The point here is, that I need html commands for the title like this:
<h1>Title</h1>

It is said, that google counts h1 to h3 texts much stronger than normal text.
Maybe this is not true, but in the moment I have to believe it.
(By the way, does anybody knows for shure how google counts that title texts inside h1, h2 or h3???)

Back to the point. The ALT-texts cannot be used with html, at least not in my programm.
So I have to use tricks.
And here we are.

Any comments are welcome.
Anton

 
Thing is, your post said that your title was NOT a title, because your program was exporting it as a graphic (a title is TEXT). If you can add <H1>Title</h1>, then your title is NOT a graphic and so the point you are making above does not apply. Presumably, you are using the <H1>Title</h1> for the "invisible" text you are writing on top of the graphic that your program has produced. If you use the Alt text, you will not need the invisible text, which apparently Google doesn't like. Google uses H1, H2, H3, etc to evaluate the content of your web page. H1, H2, etc should be applied to top title text and to subtitles on the page.
For example
<H1>THIS IS THE TITLE OF MY GIRAFFE PAGE</H1>
This is some text about giraffes
<h2>Sub title, eg giraffes in the wild</h2>
Text about how I went to see giraffes on safari
<h2>Sub title, eg Giraffes in zoos</h2>
Text about giraffes in zoos, etc
Apparently Google will evaluate your text, your subtitles and titles, plus your "Alt" textand key words to give your page a rank.
If you include invisible text, you are likely to lose page rank. You cannot apply H1, H2, etc to graphics, even if it is graphic text.

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"Thing is, your post said that your title was NOT a title, because your program was exporting it as a graphic (a title is TEXT)."

True.

"If you can add <H1>Title</h1>, then your title is NOT a graphic and so the point you are making above does not apply."

I can use text with html with a special function of the programm, but when I do this, I cannot so easy find the correct Poition of the text and so on. And then it s not longer possible to use all this excellent editing possibilities of the software. Either I get a normal text which can be edited only in a limited way or I get a beautiful graphic which can not be read by google.
If I use normal visible text with H1 etc, than the beautiful graphic does not make sense any more.
But it is just too beatiful to delete it. Therefore I need both, graphic of the title AND the text for google inside H1 etc.

"Presumably, you are using the <H1>Title</h1> for the "invisible" text you are writing on top of the graphic that your program has produced."

Correct.

"If you use the Alt text, you will not need the invisible text,"

In that program it is not posible to use H1 etc in the ALT texts.

" . . . the invible text, which apparently Google doesn't like."

This is the question I´m asking here.
DOES GOOGLE RECOGNIZE, THAT A TEXT IS WRITTEN IN THE SAME COLOUR AS THE GRAPHIC BEHIND THE TEXT??
It is clear, that google recognizes when a text is written in the same colour as the text background colour.
But here the situation is different: The background is not the usual text background, but a graphic.
Everybody in the web including google itself says, that google can not read graphics.
So my hope is, that this is true also for the colour of a graphic  ;D .
But I don´t know for shure of course.
Is anybody here, who can tell about this?
Would be great.


"Google uses H1, H2, H3, etc to evaluate the content of your web page. H1, H2, etc should be applied to top title text and to subtitles on the page . . ."

Ok, this is the same information I have.
And because of that I need a possibility to apply H1 etc in addition to the graphics. Integrating of normal Text is no problem by the way. Working now for some time with that programm I know how to keep text as text, not as a graphic. But using of H1 etc works only with a specific funktion, making it harder to get exactly the text positions I want, and also loosing a lot of text editing possibilities.
So I got the idear with that invisible text over the graphic.

Yours
Anton
« Last Edit: April 01, 2010, 02:34:44 PM by xxl »

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Then how about putting your text BEHIND your graphic? That way, your text will be against a contrasting background and so will not be invisible AND you can apply H1, etc, to it. Your image (beautiful graphic title) will be on top, in exactly the same way as any other image, which I have not heard of as being penalised. You could also make your "real" text smaller, after all, it isn't going to be seen anyway!

Offline xxl

Dear Meg,

thank You for your help.

Now I would like to concentrate on that point, which is still very interesting to me:
DOES GOOGLE RECOGNIZE, THAT A TEXT IS WRITTEN IN THE SAME COLOUR AS THE GRAPHIC BEHIND THE TEXT??

It is clear, that google recognizes when a text is written in the same colour as the text background colour.
But here the situation is different: The background is not the usual text background, but a graphic.
Everybody in the web including google itself says, that google can not read graphics.
So my hope is, that this is true also for the colour of a graphic.
But I don´t know for shure of course.
Is anybody here, who can tell about this?
Would be great.

Thanks in advance
Anton

Why would you write text in the same color as the graphic? I think Google will not penalize you if the text and graphic color is different from the background color. My 2 cents worth.