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Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« on: December 15, 2011, 09:37:34 AM »
Matt Cutts, Googles most famous employee representative, put out a video a couple of months ago that said, essentially, that proper spelling and grammar isn't taken into account when ranking pages in Google.

Here's the video (it's less than 3 minutes long):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoFf6Kn4K98

Now, for people who distribute badly spun content for the sake of building back links, this might be a bit of information they are thrilled to learn. "Awesome!" they say, "I can distribute garbage and get my sites ranked that way without fear!" I've read comments to this effect here on the forum. "Its just for back links, so who cares?"

While that may seem to be true on the surface, you need to think a little deeper and realize that making sure your content is high quality--even just for getting back links--is very important.

First, pay attention to the fact that Cutts said spelling and grammar isn't used when ranking pages. That does not mean it isn't used in judging how much link value is passed from a page. Is it? Maybe, maybe not, but it's certainly possible.

Even if it's not used at all in the algorithm, however, there's still a couple of very compelling reasons to keep the quality high in back linking content. Remember that Google employs a large number of human reviewers in addition to using their algorithm.

If a human reviewer takes a look at your back links pattern and sees a lot of garbage content, your site is only a few clicks away from a ban or demotion. The better your site starts to rank, the higher the odds are that it will get a human review. I can't tell you how many times I've seen this happen with customers who were finally making some good headway in the search results, only to have it ripped away for "no apparent reason." A human reviewer was the likely reason.

Another thing to remember when creating content for back links is that every page that links to your site is an advertisement for your site. It's true that few people will see the trashy, badly spun content being used to link to your site, since those pages don't usually rank well themselves. But a few will, and those individuals will likely never buy from you. Why should they trust a site willing to put out trash like that? If you're in this for the long haul, don't risk your business's reputation with trashy back link content.

Finally, remember that once you start to rank well in the search results, your competition will start to analyze how you got there, looking for anything they can to legitimately get you axed by Google. If they see that you've flooded Google with trashy, spammy back link content they will smile gleefully as they submit spam reports to Google about your site. If enough reports get made, uh-oh, here comes that human reviewer...

Yes, creating quality content for your back links is more time consuming than generating trash. If you use a spinner, taking the time to properly choose good synonyms or rewrite full sentences or paragraphs is challenging (though it still saves you massive amounts of time in the long run). But it's an investment in the future of your business. If you would be concerned about a Google reviewer seeing the content, it's best not to use it.

Besides, who knows if Google will figure out how to address the challenges of including spelling and grammar in their algorithm? The next "Panda"-like update could include changes that sink the trash-based ship!

Be proud of what you do and the content you create. In the long run you'll be much better off.

Please post your thoughts, comments and questions to this thread.

Jon
« Last Edit: December 15, 2011, 09:42:14 AM by Jonathan Leger »

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2011, 09:53:47 AM »
I absolutely agree with you about this. Each page we put out there is a silent salesman and can work for us or against us, just like a good, or bad, salesperson in a shop does.

To be honest, providing good quality content is not hard and getting easier. Writing one's own may be too difficult for resource reasons but buying it in? No problem.
For example, I use SENuke X and when I started I was worried about getting good quality content AND spinning it.

Now, I have several sources of decent quality content. Content that I can, and do, use on my own sites.
Your ArticleBuilder is the latest.
By keeping an eye out for special offers one can keep one's content spending on spin ready content well in check and excluding AB I spend less than $100 per month.
I tend to build out one new Nuke each day and use 4-6 spin ready articles in each iteration.

I know other people use the same spin ready seed articles as I do but I also know, because experience tells me, that this is not an issue. Indeed, I can Nuke away several times with the same articles without problems. I save Nukes and when I am pushed for time simply rerun an old campaign.

So, as far as I can see there is simply no reason why we should use bad quality content.
Is all the stuff I submit of equal quality to that which I'd turn out by hand, or that would come from writers I commission for content? No, it is not, but it is decent quality, readable, with value to the reader. I fear no manual reviewer. ;)

I want even my trackback spam and comments to be of some value to readers.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2011, 06:31:14 AM by andrewwilson »

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2011, 09:54:50 AM »
The question extends to what google can already distinguish...
For those who may not know, google tries to judge documents it finds in "reading levels".
See here for more details: http://support.google.com/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1095407

So the question is, if they have this data, that is going even further than judging spelling and grammar, will they use it for ranking or not?
If you ask me - as soon as there are two pages with identical metrics in all other ranking factors, I betcha they will rank the page with better grammar and spelling higher. How much weight does this ranking factor have? who knows... but it is a save bet that google is trying to improve and the innovation cycles at google are rather short. I would not want to work for half a year and then google gives more emphasis on a minor factor and my work was in vain. Getting good quality in the articles my links come from is just natural if you want your link building to be sustainable...

Mike

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2011, 10:02:37 AM »
I'm surprised they don't already rank based on the quality of writing, and it can only be a matter of time before they do.

And quite frankly, I welcome that day - to me, presentation, which includes spelling and grammar, is crucial.  Like you say, why trust your money to somebody who takes so little care over their work?

I once wrote to a removals company back in England to tell them this very same thing - one half page letter with nine very basic mistakes, and when the manager rang me to ask what I meant, I told him that I had no intention of trusting all our worldly possessions to a company who couldn't even get such a short letter right.
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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2011, 10:04:28 AM »
Hi AndrewWilson,

Can I ask you where you get for $23 per month over 300 spin ready articles?

You mean these are articles already spun ready to input into SENukeX which I too have?

-Glenn

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2011, 10:06:03 AM »
Great post! It's rediculous for people to put up junk content. In fact, a great source of backlinks can quickly be ruined for EVERYONE by people doing such things. Moderation eventually becomes much tougher, it's harder to open new accounts, harder to keep posts on the page.

Look at wordpress.com now for example. They will frequently pull off a good blog with beneficial posts just because it has a backlink in it because they have so much general spam being thrown up and they are trying desperately to fight the crap that even good posts can suffer.

Plus Google HATES spam so even if they aren't specifically targeting poor grammar now, THEY WILL EVENTUALLY!

But that's all good for someone like me. Just like when the Panda update hit and thousands of black hat SEO marketers started screaming that Google was dead, my rankings across the board improved!

So bad grammar guys, keep doing your thing! :)
« Last Edit: December 15, 2011, 10:08:03 AM by RobertMTFS »

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2011, 10:10:22 AM »
I shall be pleased when good spelling and grammar are taken into account, because they are important to me as a reader AND as a writer.

Article Builder is the latest tool I have invested in to help me improve my content. Unlike some previous purchases (which produced rubbish) I am delighted with AB and am replacing previous rubbish generators, which promised much and delivered little, as fast as I can.

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2011, 10:13:56 AM »
Now a days (since I have more money...) I just get a unique article from iWriter and then take it over to Human spinner for 3 sentence variations...

However, I have over 15 websites ranking #1 for keywords with 18,000 exacts+/month... ALL garbage content for backlinks.

Literally, I grabbed paragraphs from multiple ezine articles, made a huge paragraph spinner with TBS, and blasted the sites.

Needless to say, it worked like a charm and has netted me thousands just in the past few months.

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One thing that's extremely pecking is how 1WayLinks doesn't support content about "RPG games", "divorce", "dating", "get ex back"...

Those are some of the biggest markets on the web for both products and SEM clients... And  I can't use your service on them.

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It's sad, because 1WayLinks is my favorite link network... Makes me want to create my own.

I guess Mormon's just don't like World of Warcraft.  :'(

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2011, 10:15:36 AM »
I'm a reader of articles as well as a writer of them.  When I come across misspellings and poor sentence structure, I immediately dismiss the author of the article as being non-credible.

I guess I could add a few more back links with poorly written articles, but at what expense? It's hard to become an authority on a topic if one isn't taken seriously because of their lack of basic Englis skils (I did that one of purpose)  (:>)


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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2011, 10:20:40 AM »
I agree with you, Johnathan. After all, if it is "worth doing" it is "worth doing right".

It saddens me to see so many people in America unable to compose simple emails or letters or spell properly. It is a reflection of something deeper. Appearances are very important and what your site looks like and what it has to say is important.

Imagine the guy who makes a sales call on a key exec. He is very well dressed, tailored wool suit, french cuffed, neatly pressed shirt, etc. but his shoes are nasty. What gets attention? Sure, the shoes do and the importance of everything else diminishes. The exec could infer that the rep does not place importance on details. How can that affect the relationship? Kudos for us who strive to put our "best foot forward"!

And thank you Johnathan, from a fellow Dallasite! JM
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« Last Edit: December 15, 2011, 10:22:44 AM by Meg »

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2011, 10:21:46 AM »
A marketer once told me that he would build me a backlink campaign to get me to the top of Google.  Having experienced scraped and spun articles - my bugbear - in the past, I was very reticent but he assured me that 'no one will ever see the articles'.

Unfortunately, for a lesser used and therefore less competitive spelling of the keyword we were chasing, there was this horrible nonsensical gobbledegook of a post with my name in the resource box slap bang in the middle of the front page of Google.  I was mortified... and a valuable lesson was learned. 

It's all very well chasing the backlinks but it's the human traffic which Google really counts - you can see this from the large number of sites that are in the top 500k of Alexa which have PRs of 0 and 1 but lots of visitors.  Humans don't like to be presented with rubbish when they are searching for solutions.  Give them answers to their questions in a coherent, well written article and they will come to your site to find out more.

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2011, 10:45:47 AM »
I am happy that google doesn't take into consideration spelling and grammar because english is not my native language and for the moment I write the articles by myself therefore they cannot be as perfect as an english native person would write. They are not non-sense garbage but i make mistakes. All i want is that moderators not too want only perfect written articles. Think about foreigners writing english articles too :P

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2011, 10:51:00 AM »
It's sad, because 1WayLinks is my favorite link network... Makes me want to create my own.

I guess Mormon's just don't like World of Warcraft. 

What do Mormons have to do with anything? There aren't any Mormons on my staff that I'm aware of. I'm not a Mormon (though I've never met one I didn't like [edit]Okay, not true, I met *ONE* I didn't like, but that's it. :)[/edit]).

The reason for the limitations on the content allowed in 1WL is due to the large diversity of webmasters in the program. The blogs in the network belong to the users, not to me, so I keep the content as neutral and family-friendly as possible to prevent being offensive to as many as possible.  That's just good business sense, IMO.
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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2011, 10:53:08 AM »
Jon,

Did you start this post just for me? It reads as if you may have and I appreciate it. I say this
because these are all things that you taught me when I was first starting out several years
ago now. No, you did not say those thinks directly to me! I read everything that I know you
wrote/posted/blogged/advertised anywhere, and it is amazing how much you have taught me
(and maybe a million others).

One of the things you taught me when I was close to starvation is that if/when I built my first
site was that I would need backlinks to get high ranking with ‘G’ of course I did not know what
backlinks were and to this day know very little about it. Another was to not allow just anyone
leave a comment on my sites, and make it so they would need my approval.  Yet another was
that if I was in it ‘for the long haul’ to only have high quality post.

You were right and I followed every direction you ever wrote on the forum, in your blogs, and
yes even in your advertising. In doing this I have managed to get to the top level in Google, spent
little of nothing on advertising (mostly word of mouth). Moreover, am making a decent living. I do
not think I will get rich by writing, but who knows; someday you may read MY BOOK.

I have one disagreement as to your post below, which is about using spinning. I do know how
to spin and upon request, I can spin articles with the best of them, but below you comment
‘If you would be concerned about a Google reviewer seeing the content, it is best not to use it’,
I totally disagree. Once I have written content I always put it into TBS and check to see if I
possibly could have chosen better wording for any of the content.
Summing that paragraph, after I write an article or content for my own site/sites I use TBS and
make sure it could not have been written better, not for spinning purposes simply to get one perfect
article from my personally written content.

BTW – I am proud of what I have been able to do, proud that my content is always top quality and
proud of you for teaching me how to do it all.
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*Lollipop, I too was told 'no one will ever see the articles', but when I was told that Jon had already
taught me the exact thing could happen to me! So the argument was on with the person who told
me no one would see it, I told them that Jon did not agree and I would not have those post attached
to anything that had my name on it! So I was a little luckier than you were there!

Y'all have a good day and remember to smile! ;D

HoneyJo

'I haven't lost my mind, it's backed up on my hard-drive somewhere!'
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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2011, 10:56:09 AM »
Poor spelling and grammar represent two issues - Laziness and lack of respect for whoever might read it. OK if english isn't a first language then this is different.

If I come across a site that is gibberish, I am outa there straight away.

OK no one is saying that gibberish won't make you money, but what sort of foundation is it for a business in terms of content and a loyal customer base - I would say very fragile. There exists software that will analyse content (spelling and grammar), so what happens to crap content if one day Google says, "We need to have well written, easy to read content for our customers" and includes software that will suss out poorly written content.......where does the crap content go? Down the toilet where it belongs. So you can imagine what happens to the rankings............the word Panda ring any bells.

What winds me up ( yes OK I am clockwork!) is to see my content on a site, and this content has been spun to the extent that it is hard to make sense of. The owners of the site, however, have kindly left my resource box intact.