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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2011, 09:46:14 PM »
c`mom now jon...u know the cream rises to the top...we each seek our own level...and pretty much eveybodys ca$h spends the same...I think BL...self esteem and one's own level of integrity...will determan what each of us signs off on...

Well, if you want to sign off on spammy techniques that make your business look illegitimate and will end up in your sites getting the boot from Google, that's your business I guess.

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2011, 11:52:26 PM »
Since the first major Panda update in Feb this year, I had a major re-think of my entire article strategy. Up to then, the process had been to submit good spun content to as many places as possible. However, I could see that this was no longer working as many of the content sites were just bad sites full of crap content.

The new process is more productive AND more effective - one unique piece of content in one place. It's easier to track whether these landing pages are indexed, far simpler to create small linkwheels between content pages and, best of all, a vast improvement in ranking for the keywords I'm chasing.

I manage the whole process in a mega spreadsheet that helps me keep track of every piece of content and I sleep better at night knowing that (a) I'm proud of the content with my clients' URLs attached to them and (b) G likes this approach.

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2011, 12:42:06 AM »
Since the first major Panda update in Feb this year, I had a major re-think of my entire article strategy. Up to then, the process had been to submit good spun content to as many places as possible. However, I could see that this was no longer working as many of the content sites were just bad sites full of crap content.

The new process is more productive AND more effective - one unique piece of content in one place. It's easier to track whether these landing pages are indexed, far simpler to create small linkwheels between content pages and, best of all, a vast improvement in ranking for the keywords I'm chasing.

I manage the whole process in a mega spreadsheet that helps me keep track of every piece of content and I sleep better at night knowing that (a) I'm proud of the content with my clients' URLs attached to them and (b) G likes this approach.

So basically.. you write 1 quality article... then send it out to... Where? Related sites in your vertical?

This is basically guest blogging? Right?

Sean


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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2011, 01:12:27 AM »
Good Answer.
I run all my article builder articles through Copyscape first. Then when they have passed I read them to see if they sound OK, and have no miss spells. I have no intention of putting more useless crap out there !

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2011, 01:40:42 AM »
While reading this thread I am thinking there is one thing missed here. But LollipopLocal SEO got it. You were all talking machine ratings, what about people ratings ?
CTR & backlink clicks are people driven, how they perceive the site. If you have a crappy article on a backlink do you really expect to get traffic from that source ?
I do realise that you need to get ranked for people to even see your backlink, but hey, it all is neede for a good package.

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2011, 02:21:18 AM »
This is a great discussion. I use The Best Spinner, and it's a great tool. But I find that spinning an article at the paragraph, sentence and word level is incredibly tedious and time-consuming. I'm trying to get away from doing stuff like that which takes so much time away from more important and creative pursuits.

Does anybody have an tips on finding outsourcing to do super spins of articles, or write articles and spin them at that level? Or services that sell such articles? Along the lines of the one Jonathan posted. That one seems a bit limited.

My apologies if this is not the place to discuss that. As far as I know, Jonathan doesn't offer a service like that though.

Have you had a look at Jon's superspun articles web site?
http://www.superspunarticles.com/

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2011, 03:10:26 AM »
So basically.. you write 1 quality article... then send it out to... Where? Related sites in your vertical?

I own a small blog network of 6 sites and these, plus 3 or so web2.0 type properties and 4 article directories are used for the content. Once content is live, I'll push a few social bookmarks to each link. I then leave it a week & use scrapebox to pull out the non-indexed pages (of which there are very few) and then BLI those.

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2011, 03:58:45 AM »
Six years ago I learned a simple strategy.
I followed it ever since.

I am not rich, but for six years when people ask how I make a living I say 'the internet sends me money'.

What I am saying is 'this works'!

Do everything for the benefit of real people and in particular for the benefit of your site visitors.

About 4 years ago I started building and selling 'autoblogs' we sold many hundreds of these things. They were the first autoblogs that were able to hold their own in terms of SE rankings, did not get de-listed and today many of those sites are still out there, chugging away.
Everybody else's autoblogs were, no matter how good they looked, junk.
What did we do that was new?

We built for the reader!
Did not need to worry about 'duplicate content' but most content was syndicated on hundreds of other sites.
Did not need to worry about links - other people linked in because the content was worth reading.

Nowadays I still read the same complaints from newbies (generally) about duplicate content and backlinks. People are still building links that are unreadable, but automation has made the situation much, much worse.

I am willing to wager (in a friendly, imaginary, non monetary way) that the people who are still around in five years will be those who are doing the same as I was five years ago.

Those people will be writing decent content (or commissioning its production), using 'sensible' linking policies that enable real people to follow links to money pages and who understand that our 'masters' are not search engine but human beings and that the search engines do their best to serve those same human beings.

Back when I was designing my first autoblogs I employed a concept from business planning, one that I have never seen mentioned in respect of 'internet marketing' that concept was Stakeholder Theory. I bet that if one reads up on the concept (going somewhat further than Wikipedia ;) that one's business would be changed A LOT and end up being both more profitable and in the longer term, more viable.

So, if you are building an empire of auto-spun mangled rubbish, think of this: How does what I am doing help the people who can help me?

Then when you have your answer you can start over, doing it better and properly.

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2011, 05:01:18 AM »
Poor grammar and misspelled words will only lose credibility for your site in the eyes of your visitors. Whether or not Google checks for these two things is irrelevant. Strive to write good, grammatically correct articles, blog posts, or whatever content you create that will be seen on the web. Poor grammar and misspelled words convey a sense of stupidity and ignorance.

This can be said for many other areas. Personally, if I am given a resume with poor grammar and misspelled words, it immediately goes into the trash. If it weren't for spelling and grammar checking tools I might have have a different perspective but given the technology that's available today, there is NO excuse.

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2011, 06:18:46 AM »
To be fair, spelling is not much of an issue, unless people are using my sites to promote misspelled keywords on purpose. ;)
Grammar is not really the heart of it. The issue is word usage. Synonyms that make no sense and construction that is just silly - but may be perfectly grammatically correct.

Maybe Jon might chop off my family jewels for noting this, but it is for sure true: If people did not use spinners and other rewriting tools we would have much less of a problem.

If spinning tools did not have autorewrite then we would have much less of a problem.

These tools magnify all the errors that go into them, as well as adding their own.
What is worse, from the perspective of a website owner is that these tools enable those, from wherever they may come or what language they speak, who can not effectively deploy English in written form, to plaster the interwebs with rubbish. 

For example, if a bloke can take an article that he copied from Ezine articles, or knowhow-now, plug it into a spinner and get back 1000 'unique' variations he is a happy man. He cares not whether they make sense becasue he probably can't even tell - he may think they are all perfectly OK. (believe me this happens, I used to do academic proofreading for non-English speakers and it can be hard to correct a person who thinks their English is good, but who are nearly illiterate. )

Very often the people who employ these near illiterates are literate English speakers who choose the illiterates because they think it saves money (its only a backlink after all)


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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2011, 07:19:22 AM »
I don't deny that content spinners are often abused.  But then, so are cell phones, prescription drugs, cars, guns, you name it. All of those things can be incredibly valuable tools, but are often used in a way that causes serious harm and damage.

I don't think a great tool shouldn't exist because there are some who will inevitably abuse it.

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2011, 09:16:38 AM »
Thanks Jon for a wonderful post  I would not want anyone to see content that I have my name on that had bad grammar and spelling . putting out  quality and not quantity. is the best in the long run .

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2011, 09:18:44 AM »
I don't think a great tool shouldn't exist because there are some who will inevitably abuse it.

Every day I use TBS.
Some days I use Rewrite Rocket.
I have been using spinning tools for a few years.

So, yes, I agree.
But that does not change the basic truth.
Spinners and rewriters HAVE changed the environment and not for the better.

A few people use these tools correctly but I think we can probably agree that, at least by volume of output, most do not.

In a way this is why threads of this type are useful. Maybe just one person will choose to upgrade the quality of his outsourced staff in Coimbra or Bangalore.

Perhaps one person who currently autospins everything might cotton on to the idea that a backlink represents an ambassador for her business and decide to proofread and correct the autospins she currently sends out unchecked.

And maybe I will get a few less articles that are gibberish.


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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2011, 09:57:05 AM »
As an educator for 42 years I can tell you, "You are what you put out there."  I signed up to have 10 articles written for a product with a very well-known article service.  What I got back was a joke - lousy grammar, spelling OK, but there was no meaning in what was written.  My 5th graders could have done better.  Result? Not only do I not deal with that article service, I shy away from using ANY article service.

So the poor grammar and lack of intelligent meaning has not only affected that first service, but it is affecting others in that business.  That first impression is critical.  People draw conclusions about your business from your content.  Unintelligent content means unintelligent business owner.

If someone is spinning content without proofreading, in my estimation they are not only stupid but also lazy.  You don't need a degree in English.  A 5th grade grammar book would be a great grammar guide.

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Re: Google doesn't care about spelling and grammar. Why should I?
« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2011, 10:19:07 AM »
If someone is spinning content without proofreading, in my estimation they are not only stupid but also lazy.  You don't need a degree in English.  A 5th grade grammar book would be a great grammar guide.

Virginia, You hit the nail on the head with this answer!!! ;D

'Stupid and/or Lazy!'

If a person is stupid, or writes in another language they may have a reason
for their content being poorly written!

Otherwise they are just to lazy to take the time to write decent content!

HJ



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