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Offline fic

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2010, 03:04:17 PM »
hi SNM, yes i agree, i'm of the same opinion here.

Offline evo

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2010, 09:46:45 AM »
It looks like the PR3 on your domain is invalid and belongs to another domain www.bellsystems.com.sg - if you type info:www.somervillecompanies.com into Google it is showing www.bellsystems.com.sg in Google's cache.

Hope that helps.

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2010, 01:24:42 PM »
Since there are no .htaccess file, how did they do the redirect?

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Offline fic

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2010, 05:21:58 PM »
hi evo,

that's an interesting observation, but it's likely due to that fact that it's not indexed in G at all, and info command is pulling the closest.

1. i did an info locally, and it's not showing bellsystems, by other sites related to the earlier web company - Creative eWorld

2. i further confirmed that with a personal site of mine that wasn't indexed as well, and info shows some related sites.

hi sublimus
so, this is not a matter of redirection.

thanks everyone, hope we can get to the bottom of this.

Offline fic

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2010, 10:24:31 PM »
hi sublimus,

i reviewed all the posts on this thread, and the main lead seemed to the a possible banned IP. i dug further checking on sites if ip's blacklisted or blocked. mostly returned ok, except this one :

www.apews.org/?page=test&C=22&E=399726&ip=203.117.96.163

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Oooops 203.117.96.163 is currently listed in APEWS :-(
Entry matching your Query: E-399726
203.117.96.0/21CASE: C-22
Dynamic IP space, generic DNS/rDNS, no PTR
Direct connections to MX not permitted, you
need to use your ISP servers or smarthostSpecial Reason:
Dynamic IP, generic DNS, missing rDNS/PTR not permitted for direct email connection. You must use correctly configured [with registered working abuse contact] static IP / ISP mail servers / smarthost service

are you able to help confirm the ip lead?

another inconvenient thing is to change host, i'll probably need to hunt for windows server to just test things out...

Offline fic

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2010, 10:54:01 PM »
hi all,

allow me to share a post from someone really smart from another forum where i'm trying also to get help from:

while i agree there's indexing issues, why wouldn't the Home Page be indexed? am considering to throw up a index.html, index.php to see if it helps, and then consider porting site to e.g WP if needed.

still, i'm not sure if ip had any bearing to this issue


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Ok there is no question you have a spidering issue...I am just not 100% sure what it is yet. I have found several accounts of similar sites being indexed with the same CMS.

You have several major SEO flaws and several things working against you:
1. Most of your links are in javascript which is harder for Google to spider, not impossible but harder
2. You are using short and not absolute URL's (i.e. linking using index.aspx?uc=blahblah vs. wwwsomervillecompanies.com/index ... c=blahblah)
3. Your CMS uses aspx which is always harder to work with in terms of SEO. I don't use this and thus its harder for me to debug. I much prefer php or standard HTML.
4. Your titles and descriptions match on every page, even if you get indexed Google will drop you site to a single page unless you setup unique titles and descriptions.

Your IP is not banned. There are other websites on this IP which are indexed fine (3eagle.com is one). You server location is not ideal but its not your problem either. Notice as well that 3eagle has similar issues but does show in the index.

I think there is an issue with your asp code. Go here and run your site as Googlebot 2.1. It won't load.

www.smart-it-consulting.com/inte ... /index.htm

If you run it as MSN or Yahoo it loaded (minus images since robots blocks images).

I would send that info to the programmers or vendor for your CMS and see if you can get that corrected as a first measure. I think your issue is there. Setting up webmaster tools will help debug this a lot.

Now...your CMS isn't the best. You would likely be able to setup the same site in Joomla, Drupal or some other CMS a lot easier and not have these issues. You point out that it showed in archive.org but also note that it was never the full set of pages...there has always been indexing issues with this site even when it was working.

As you stand today, you are at square 1. You can rebuild and keep the majority of the SEO you have. My guess is that the next update will drop your PR since its not being indexed. You will lose Bing/Yahoo listings but gain Google.

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2010, 01:37:21 PM »

"my guess would be that your IP:203.117.96.163 is banned."

the good news here is the ip address is fine - there are some 250+ domains on this ip address and i did a spot check on 2 sites and both are indexed in google

so the issue is with the domain

you said you are the new domain owners - i guess you registered this on 10 June 2010

question - did you buy this as a drop domain for its PR value - if so i guess the PR3 was a fake  - this is very common - so you would loose the PR value after a month or so any way - but that is not a reason for it to be de-indexed

when you registered this domain in June, did you change isp - if so - well google may just de-index as the move took it out of one data centre to another - so it will come back when the other data centre finds it

the quickest way to get a site in the google index is to submit a short blog post in a blogspot blog with a back link to the domain - an established blogspot blog can get a site indexed in hours

but a quick check and google see 180 back links to the domain - so at least one of these would get the domain re-indexed if it were a data centre issue


when did you discover the site was de-indexed - what date ?


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Offline fic

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2010, 05:02:27 PM »
hi nick-uk,

appreciate the valuable inputs.

yes, i did look up several other sites and agree with you - ip's probably not the issue.

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you said you are the new domain owners - i guess you registered this on 10 June 2010
well, no, we are the new webmaster and i guess u've mis-read the whois info on the domain, cos it shows registered since 2002, and has never gone through a drop. i do believe the client (having been in the industry for a long time now) has that domain since 2002.

i believe the domain was brand new when they purchased, and fake pr is not the issue here. info command can't be used for a non-indexed site, in my experience.

pr3 is not inconceivable, they do have a number of BLs and several pr3, and we recently pointed 2 pr4.

based on the in-links, there's no reason not be to spidered/indexed (not talking about ranking).

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when did you discover the site was de-indexed - what date ?
we are new to the site, so we just discovered, but my suspicion is that it's been so for quite some time now. And sublimus was sharp to highlight that WB (wayback m/c) wasn't capturing anything the last 1-2 years.


my current hunch is an issue of spiderability, but i can't figure why G wouldn't even index the home page that doesn't have dynamic urls?

i digged deeper and randomly checked 20 sites on the same aspx CMS platform. All were indexed by G. 2 sites, however, only had the home page indexed :

so, the CMS isn't great for spidering, but i'd say 95% of the sites on this platform are indexed by G, if not deeply, to some level. for our site, i'm not sure if it could be combination of spiderability together with other factors.





Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2010, 05:15:51 PM »
Besides the fake/hijacked PageRank, another thing I noticed was that one of the links Google reported pointing to the site had hidden anchor text; it was simply an underscore character (_).  This is only a single instance, but if enough of these shenanigans were done in the past, Google could have banned the site for spammy link-building practices.


Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2010, 05:50:42 PM »
I did a little more research into the backlinks to www.somervillecompanies.com.  There are dozens using the "hidden" underscore backlink technique that I described previously.  They are mostly on the sites asiacharts.com and binter.com.sg. It looks like they were placed there by an SEO/web design company that used spammy techniques (http://www.wesimplifymarketing.com/).

If Google detected this -- and they probably did -- it would have been more than enough to get the site banned.

Offline fic

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2010, 05:46:13 PM »
hi netgeezer,

appreciate the inputs.

as shared earlier in the thread, fake pr is not the issue, and info command check is probably only valid for indexed site. u can't use that for non-indexed site.

regarding the '_', it's not hidden or spammy, it's a do-follow link, and a do-follow link passes link juice and sends bots to the site. the only thing is that it's not KW targeted, for which, ranking was not our goal anyway.

the '_' links were sent from high pr 4 sites just to confirm that in-links is not the issue, and that crawlers CAN infact find the site.

and they were added recently AFTER discovering the site is not indexed.

btw, the concept of potentially getting penalized, or worst - de-indexed, by 'spammy' in-links is unfounded. in-links can't harm your site, bad in-links probably won't help u, but it won't harm ur site, out-links could, but not in-links, otherwise we'd be sending "_" links to all our competitor sites.

hope this helps.



To all who have helped on this thread,

thus far, it's confirmed that the aspx platform is a spidering issue and we can confirm that here
www.smart-it-consulting.com/internet/google/googlebot-spoofer/index.htm

as the new webmaster for the site, instead of fighting a loosing battle, our current decision is inclined to porting the entire site to a new platform, html, php or WP, etc.

appreciate everyone's time/effort on helping me out, i've learnt a couple of things through this.

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Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2010, 01:59:03 AM »
hi netgeezer,

appreciate the inputs.

as shared earlier in the thread, fake pr is not the issue, and info command check is probably only valid for indexed site. u can't use that for non-indexed site.

regarding the '_', it's not hidden or spammy, it's a do-follow link, and a do-follow link passes link juice and sends bots to the site. the only thing is that it's not KW targeted, for which, ranking was not our goal anyway.

the '_' links were sent from high pr 4 sites just to confirm that in-links is not the issue, and that crawlers CAN infact find the site.

and they were added recently AFTER discovering the site is not indexed.

btw, the concept of potentially getting penalized, or worst - de-indexed, by 'spammy' in-links is unfounded. in-links can't harm your site, bad in-links probably won't help u, but it won't harm ur site, out-links could, but not in-links, otherwise we'd be sending "_" links to all our competitor sites.

hope this helps.



To all who have helped on this thread,

thus far, it's confirmed that the aspx platform is a spidering issue and we can confirm that here
www.smart-it-consulting.com/internet/google/googlebot-spoofer/index.htm

as the new webmaster for the site, instead of fighting a loosing battle, our current decision is inclined to porting the entire site to a new platform, html, php or WP, etc.

appreciate everyone's time/effort on helping me out, i've learnt a couple of things through this.


As a lay person in this area and having followed the thread with interest, maybe this suggestion is too simple to consider BUT could you create a SINGLE new page on a different host, maybe just in html? The page would be one that could be spidered or botted (if that's a word) and it could act as a redirect to your current site. It shouldn't be too much work to create one page and if you made 2 or more entirely separate new pages, it could tell you whether the hosting or the page format is the problem.

Offline fic

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2010, 05:20:22 PM »
hi meg,

yup, that's exactly what we intended to do, and it worked! thanks for your inputs anyways, greatly appreciate ALL who provided assistance.

we basically just copied from View Page Source a couple of pages and uploaded html to the server, pointing a couple of links, and it's indexed in a day.

so conclusion here, just to keep everyone posted, is that hosting and domain's fine, it's basically an unspiderable CMS platform.

i'll be ending this thread here.

once again, appreciate everyone's help.