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PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« on: September 02, 2010, 08:27:15 AM »
hi,

http://www.somervillecompanies.com/ - aged PR3 domain is NOT indexed by Google, could you help?

site://www.somervillecompanies.com - shows nothing.

Felt this is really, strange, site is a good couple of years old, and have incoming links, but is not found in G's index.

Any recommendations? I've written to G about be reconsidered but didn't receive any reply.

Do you think pointing a couple of hiring PR links will help? I didn't think so, since the site seems to have sufficient authority, but is just somehow now indexed.

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Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2010, 09:17:28 AM »
hi,

httx://www.somervillecompanies.com/ - aged PR3 domain is NOT indexed by Google, could you help?

site://wwx.somervillecompanies.com - shows nothing.

Felt this is really, strange, site is a good couple of years old, and have incoming links, but is not found in G's index.

Any recommendations? I've written to G about be reconsidered but didn't receive any reply.

Do you think pointing a couple of hiring PR links will help? I didn't think so, since the site seems to have sufficient authority, but is just somehow now indexed.



Have you submitted your site to Google? (Free)
http://www.google.com/addurl/?continue=/addurl

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Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2010, 04:28:07 PM »
hi Meg,

appreciate the inputs. i didn't think this process is necessary anymore, and for new sites, i'll just been basically pointing links to sites to get them indexed. nevertheless, i've submitted just incase.

we are the new webmaster, and the site has been around for years, PR3 (!) with several PR3 links pointing to it, and well indexed and RANKING by yahoo. So, G bots must have visited the site, it's just that G is not including it in their index (not even in the supplementary index!)

i'll direct a few PR3, 4 links to it and see how things go, but if you/anyone has further inputs, i'd appreciate it.


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Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2010, 06:31:26 PM »
Hi Jon, or any SEO experts,

Can i get your inputs here? Puzzled about how we could the site into G's index.

Thanks in advance!

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2010, 06:35:53 AM »
SEO guy here.  I don't pretend to know everything, but I ran it through a couple of tools, and I have a few suggestions (In no particular order):

1. I don't think that this is a big thing, but, the code is a little bit bloated with a little unnecessary HTML formatting.  Removing this may make a positive impact, as Google likes to be able to read the text, without messing about with code too much.

2. Rather than submitting the URLs to Google, I would recommend setting up a Google Webmaster account and submitting an XML sitemap:
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/

This registers all the URLs, and rather than shouting at Google to index your site, lets it do it more naturally.

3. Navagation.

From a user point of view, the drop down menu bars are useful, from a search engine point of view, they are unreadable.

I would recommend having static links to the pages at the bottom of the page, at least to the pages that are the most important.

4. URLs.  It looks like you are using a content management system of some kind.

The URLs that it produces are not very friendly, depending on the CMS, there may be some way of creating static type URLs as part of the program.

Search engines REALLY don't like dynamic URLs.

5. Consider reducing flash on the site, search engines don't like it too much.



If you would like me to do more and offer more specific advice after running some better / more in depth tools, then perhaps we could do a joint venture on this?

A lot of my work comes from SEO consultancy, and I would be willing to do any SEO for your design customers in return for a share so you can offer another service.

PM me if you would like to discuss this.

Cheers,

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Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2010, 06:47:29 PM »
hi webnet,

appreciate the inputs, here's my comments :

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1. I don't think that this is a big thing, but, the code is a little bit bloated with a little unnecessary HTML formatting.  Removing this may make a positive impact, as Google likes to be able to read the text, without messing about with code too much.
cms platform should be fine, it's indexed in both Yahoo and Bing. Also, mainly websites on the same platform were indexed by G. It's only this 1 particular site in G

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2. Rather than submitting the URLs to Google, I would recommend setting up a Google Webmaster account and submitting an XML sitemap:
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/
this has already been done a while back

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3. Navagation., 4 url, 5, flash
again, imo, like #1, indexable by Y and B. Other sites on same platform indexable by G, so this wouldn't be the problem. infact, site has very little flash.

Am lost on this one, not sure if it could be due to issues with host, or prior spamming by domain, etc? G has replied regarding our request for reconsideration, but pretty much were standard text, again directing us to GWMT guideline.


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Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2010, 08:17:45 PM »
hi Jon, or any SEO experts,

can i get your inputs on this issue?

Currently, the site's not indexed by G despite having PR3, a number of PR3 and PR4 in-links, aged domain, and being well indexed by Y and Bing.

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 01:01:13 PM »
my guess would be that your IP:203.117.96.163 is banned.
Have you considered changing server somewhere else than Singapore or any other asian server.
They have bad reputation of spamming and/or fraudulent clicks/traffic. (i am not saying that you do)

Wayback machine shows no results for 2009 and 2010, so the problem does not seem to be recent.


just some thoughts.

Aquarium care

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Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2010, 04:17:15 PM »
hi sublimus,

thanks for the great insights!

yes, i did consider a change of hosting, and if nothing works, we'll probably host it elsewhere, US, etc.
regarding WB, new site was implemented in May 08, and almost immediately after, no results were captured in WB.

could it be the G couldn't spider the site with changing session IDs? several pple highlighted this, though i'm doubtful this is the reason, because the G site command on sites built by the same web previous company (could tell from footer) shows that other sites were indexed in G. also, Y and B was able to index the site, so it should not be due to site not being 'spiderable' imo.

however, someone rank Optispider and found that the site could not be indexed. i run it through SocialBot and the spider returned 0 results as well. but my hunch is still that G's spider is probably more advanced than the 2 tools, and probably more so than Y and B too.

is there any further ways we can confirm that the server is the issue?

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2010, 10:22:54 PM »
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G's spider is probably more advanced than the 2 tools, and probably more so than Y and B too.
But G is also known not to be too patient when spidering a site.
If it takes more time to decipher the menu than the time allowed, it will just go to the next site.

First thing I would try is to include a plain sitemap link at the top of the index page.
You can use a tool like Xenu to create the sitemap, plus it will check if you have broken links.

I am not too savvy with htaccess file but you should check if it prevents G bot from harvesting your site.

post it here and maybe some savvy nerd will be able to tell you if it hides any pitfalls.

Aquarium care

"And it just does'nt stop there."

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Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2010, 03:10:44 AM »
2 sitemaps have been included :
somervillecompanies.com/sitemap.txt
somervillecompanies.com/sitemap.xml

i think these suffice (?).

htaccess - i'm not too technical about this too, i didn't see this file on the server root directory.

some other guy told me that he ran OptiSpider and found that only the home page is spidered... if that's the case, i was wondering why wouldn't G index at least the Home page? i did a spider check with Incansoft SocialBot and it couldn't spider the site either.

any other advice on htaccess and other areas i could be looking at?

thanks, i appreciate your help.

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2010, 08:29:41 AM »
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wondering why wouldn't G index at least the Home
If the account has awstats, does it show that G is visiting/spidering the site?


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htaccess - ........, i didn't see this file on the server root directory.
On some server this file is hidden and you must ask the admin...

Aquarium care

"And it just does'nt stop there."

Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2010, 07:49:06 PM »
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somervillecompanies.com/sitemap.txt

interesting. What is a .txt "sitemap" supposed to do?


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somervillecompanies.com/sitemap.xml

When you say "have been included", you submitted it to your 'webmaster Google account', right?

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Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2010, 01:23:54 AM »
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interesting. What is a .txt "sitemap" supposed to do?
that's an option that's provided for in GWMT

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you submitted it to your 'webmaster Google account', right?
yes

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If the account has awstats, does it show that G is visiting/spidering the site?
i don't have this stats, it's hosted by another company. my thoughts here are that, i think G bots will show up in stats, i mean with the PR3/4 inlinks, bots will come, but they may not be able to spider the page. anyway, if i can get a hold of awstats, i'll take a look, just that i'm of the opinion that having bots showing up on stats wouldn't be conclusive though.

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On some server this file is hidden and you must ask the admin...
just confirmed that site's on aspx, so windows server and there wouldn't be any .htaccess file.

anything else we shld be poking at?

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Re: PR3 Site De-Indexed. Help!
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2010, 07:27:16 AM »
In case this is helpful...

I am no seo expert. But I have noticed that even de-indexed sites get regularly visited by Google Bot. So checking whether Google Bot visits the site may not help much.

Regards
SNM