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The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)

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Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2012, 03:36:38 AM »
If bad links, ie from a network or obvious link farms did indeed have a negative effect on your rankings, then competitors could just buy a 1000 links and point them at your site to drop you down the page. So rather than these links having a negative effect, perhaps they have no effect. Google just ignores them. So just don't put your eggs in the one basket and ensure you diversify your backlinks.

Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2012, 03:40:03 AM »
Jon,

I could have sworn the sky was falling...I live in the San Joaquin Valley so I guess it was just overcast. Google is one sneaky cat.

Kim

Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2012, 04:00:57 AM »
Hey Jon

Great post thanks a million for sharing that information. It's nice to know that we can still rank highly on Google and that their algorithm isn't as strict as first thought. Keep up the good posts. You think you could share some information on the best way to build backlinks?

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Lloyd (Make The Money Online Dot Com)

Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2012, 04:04:18 AM »
I wonder how many of those "thousands of people" Google got to look at sites and rate them for quality, trustworthiness, etc. were looking at markov'd content and saying "Looks good to me!"

So in my eyes there are only two possible scenarios ...

1. No-one has complained about my nasty content and G has never investigated.

2. G has investigated after complaints and turned the other cheek.

Re: #1 ... I'm beating some pretty high profile sites and have been for 3 years. I'd say the chances of there having been no complaints about this site are next to nothing.

So I can only conclude that G doesn't give a flying monkeys tail about my site. It earns them good money after all. That's what it all boils down to in the end. They have to keep their shareholders happy.

Exactly, follow the money trail... guys... as you know g went public is is trading close to $650/share... like any other company, they have shareholder equity to preserve, protect and answer to.

I.E.
How would you like to be in the meeting where Mr. Cutts tells the board that his algo group is going to flip a switch and effectively wipe out a significant portion of adsense revenue producing sites. Adwords is the advertising money cow and adsense on sites is much the real estate for the adwords... so who would you bet on... Mr. Cutts... or the shareholder's money.

I too have a variety of types of sites. Some of my oldest have been producing good Adsense income since the last century. I got the notice from G as well... a couple days later for the exact same sites, I got another form letter telling me that I was NOT maximizing my available adsense usage and by doing so their crack studies indicated I could really increase my (also known as theirs) income.  ???

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Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2012, 04:35:03 AM »
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Jonathan...one question..what have you found to spin articles percentage wise to go under googles radar? 70-90%??? I am not a expert in the best spinner. what is the fastest way to spin to that percentage...what buttons to push?

I've actually seen results with 30-50% uniqueness, but I always go for 75%+. There is no "fast" way to achieve that and maintain quality, though. You need to rewrite the paragraphs and sentences to get that level of uniqueness while keeping things top quality.

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What blog network are we talking about?

BuildMyRank was the biggest name that got the axe.

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However, there is a missing element IMO ..  and that is structure

If a site is poorly structured then without a doubt in my mind, the site is penalised accordingly.

I have to disagree.  Site structure has a small impact, but only in that it makes it easy for Google to figure out what your site is about and what's important on it.

The two sites I talk about in my original post both have jumbled structure. They are certainly not the "silo" layout that Google is supposed to love.  And yet they rank very well, way above sites with far superior structure and layout.

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With regards to your #1 for 7 years site, do you have great content on that?  And do you have to add fresh content to maintain it?

It's not my site, and the content hasn't changed much almost since the beginning. The only new content on the site are a few recent testimonials about the service they offer. It's the same old content otherwise.

Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2012, 04:52:53 AM »
However, there is a missing element IMO ..  and that is structure

If a site is poorly structured then without a doubt in my mind, the site is penalised accordingly.

I disagree as well. I just achieved a #1 in G for a site with 2 paragraphs of unique content, nothing else. No outbound links, no internal pages, no links on the page at all. Just a title tag, an H1 tag and a couple of paragraphs! Around 100 words in total.

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Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2012, 05:17:42 AM »
Great Post Jon, I are glad to hear what you have said here as that is what I was thinking, but was not too sure of myself. Now I feel better about my sites. I hadn't really seen much difference in traffic, but was afraid it was coming.

Thanks for the information, I always look forward to all your posts.

Herschel Lawhorn

Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2012, 06:15:49 AM »
I have an account with BMR and was tempted to delete all the links that built in them - but did not. I didn't notice any drop in my site rankings but did notice one of my site (with BMR backlinks) improve in traffic. So, I don't really care what the other members of BMR are doing, removing all their links. Me, I'll just leave it as it is knowing my content is what's keeping my sites unaffected. For me, sites with good content will never be affected even if a person from G look at the site closely.

Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2012, 06:25:35 AM »
I got the dreaded "unnatural links" message in my webmaster tools account. After a few days my rankings started falling. They went from page 1 to page 6 for a pretty competetive term. I'm really bummed because I was making $300-$400 a day, and now I only make about $50. I bought tons of link packages over the last 3 years, and I also use 1 waylinks.net.  Google has me confused, and I'm trying to sort it all out and try to get my rankings back.

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Re: Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2012, 06:29:17 AM »
I got the dreaded "unnatural links" message in my webmaster tools account. After a few days my rankings started falling. They went from page 1 to page 6 for a pretty competetive term. I'm really bummed because I was making $300-$400 a day, and now I only make about $50. I bought tons of link packages over the last 3 years, and I also use 1 waylinks.net.  Google has me confused, and I'm trying to sort it all out and try to get my rankings back.

Sounds like some of the sites you had links from got deindexed. Just keep building links from a variety of sources and make sure you aren't doing anything on the site itself that is questionable.

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Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2012, 07:14:37 AM »
Jon,

Good post with an important message.  Stay true to the course and do not be swayed by hysteria.

I don't know that Google is necessarily throwing out smoke and mirrors; to me, it seems that whenever Google sneezes, there is a ripple of panic.  Said panic is often picked up and encouraged by marketers savvy enough to know how easily the crowd-mind is influenced by fear.  You may recall the intense panic over duplicate content a few years ago, or the attempt to create hysteria over the "death of adsense."  All of this, as well as Panda Panic, is hogwash.

Good work, Jon, reminding us to stay calm, chill and stay true to what we know works.

Evan

Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2012, 07:33:05 AM »
 ;)Who knows what Google are doing or not doing, I basically agree that if you build good sites with good content with backlinks, and don't do anything too spammy, then you should be alright.
I may change my opinion though if I get one of those emails though.

Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2012, 09:27:41 AM »
Yes, just as others have said. I received Tools notices for some of my manipulated sites, and some of those where slammed right out of the rankings two days ago, others were hardly touched. Thankfully, the unaffected ones included my client's sites.

I agree with your advice, but not the attitude that they are just playing at smoke and mirrors. They are not playing around, they are looking to get us outta there and I think they will allow their efforts to affect innocent sites in limited ways if it allows them toss us out effectively.

Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2012, 02:20:15 PM »
Thank you, Jonathan, for being the voice of reason in an otherwise hysterical situation.  I enjoyed your post very much!

Re: The SEO sky is falling! (Yeah, again, really...)
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2012, 02:42:47 PM »
Hey Jon, thanks for calming my nerves! :-)

Hey, can I ask you a question re back linking?

 The guys from SEO Traffic Services say that it's best to uninstall google analytics and webmaster tools from your site?

 Here:

 "That's good! However, whenever purchasing any type of links from us or from any other backlink vendor it is a very good idea to first uninstall Google Analytics and Google Webmaster Tools from your site. There is no reason to offer Google extra information about your site if you don't need to. Leaving them installed could very well undermine your efforts to reach page one via backlinking.

 So you might want to remove that as soon as possible. Thanks!"


 What do you say to that?
 Right? Wrong? Doesn't matter?

 Thanks man,

 Mark