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Using private name servers
« on: May 08, 2012, 03:14:33 PM »
Hi Jon and Co,

Jon, you mentioned in a previous post (possibly about penguin I forget now) that using private nameservers might be a good idea. When I went to set this up on godaddy for a domain, I had to put the original hostgator nameserver in so basically it looks like your private nameserver simply redirects to your original nameserver.

Could this simple redirection not easily be sniffed out by google? Or is this somehow hidden?

thanks for any help anyone

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Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2012, 04:51:10 PM »
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. When you register a private name server it doesn't forward to any other name server. I don't use Godaddy so I can't speak for how their system works.

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Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2012, 05:11:13 PM »
Thanks for the reply Jon!

That's ok. There's probably something I don't understand. I'm with shared hosting anyway so I can't do it with hostgator. Will have to wait til I get my own server of some sort to really try it out.

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Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2012, 11:25:04 PM »
Thanks for the reply Jon!

That's ok. There's probably something I don't understand. I'm with shared hosting anyway so I can't do it with hostgator. Will have to wait til I get my own server of some sort to really try it out.

You can also get "privacy" on a .com name. This means your name and address aren't plastered all over the internet for anyone searching on WHOIS. This is not the same as a private nameserver, as far as I know, but for me, it's a lot simpler than getting my own server. (Possibly cheaper too?) "Privacy" costs me £5/$8 a year per domain name with my usual domain name reseller but it's cheaper with some other companies.

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Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2012, 12:14:40 AM »
The private nameserver comes into play if you have all your sites on a single account. HG and other hosts have loads of 'generic' nameservers such as 'webhostwelcome34.com' of course, if all your sites are on 'privacy' with the registrar then that is a connection point removed, but if all your sites are on the same name server, all linked to the same stuff and probably to each other that is a red flag.
Having sites dotted across multiple hosting accounts, even with the same host will tend to minimise that issue. In my case, I have a dedicated server but I had put all my domains onto the server using a load of different IPs but then they all use the same private nameserver which is using one of my own domains. Not the best move in the world, but at least I don't need to pay for privacy any more. ;)

EDIT: Just to clarify here, in respect of private nameservers I was being ironic. Because I have set up all my sites using the same nameserver and it is a private one there is no benefit to having domain privacy or even different IP addresses because the nameserver links all the sites. Even if I change things now the historical record would still give the game away. As a result I have no plans to make any changes - hence money saved on domain privacy and IP addresses. ;)
« Last Edit: May 17, 2012, 01:30:03 AM by andrewwilson »

Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 11:24:55 AM »
private nameservers
Private nameservers are specialy usefull if you have a blog farm. When you direct your backlinks to your money sites it is a good idea that each blog has his own nameserver + different c class ip.

What would you think if you receive 100 birthday cards, all from different civic adresses(ip) but all from the same street(nameservers)?

You might think that someone is playing a trick on you.

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Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2012, 11:34:31 PM »
Hi

Take it from someone who recently had ALL her sites deindexed by google (about 150 sites), 80 of which were 1waylinks sites.

I realised the following:
Google picked up unnatural links coming in to my one website from Buildmyrank
This website was in Google Webmaster
Then they investigated all the other sites in Google webmaster, one of these was a 1waylinks site.
They deindexed all the sites in my Google webmaster account.
They then investigated the Registrar info of the 1waylinks site. Most of the 150 sites that I owned were NOT Whois protected allthough they were on a mix of different servers with different IPs and different nameservers. They picked up ALL these sites through the registrar info and deindexed them. THEY ALSO DEINDEXED SITES that were NOT accessible through registry info but were located on the same server as some of these 'bad sites' that they found, just because there was a small number of sites on this server.

The MOST IMPORTANT THING that you can do is the following:
- MAKE SURE that you have your domains protected with WHOIS guard protection. I had about 3 sites protected with WHOIS - these three survived, even if they were on the same servers as my other sites (with one proviso - see next point).
- Private nameservers are a BAD IDEA for the following reason: Google will do a registry lookup on which other sites are linked to the same nameserver. If you have a private nameserver, only YOUR sites are linked to that nameserver. If you use a generic nameserver as provided by Godaddy or hostgator, your site is hidden among thousands of other sites.
- DO NOT use Google webmaster tools.

I can kick myself today that I didn't WHOIS protect all my sites!!!

Be paranoid. Google IS out to get you!


Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2012, 04:39:32 AM »
chillipepper,

I certainly agree.

DO NOT register your websites with Google webmaster tools.

DO NOT use Google analytics.

I have no direct evidence that Google uses the data collected from these sources to blitz a website - but, why run the risk.  Google is definitely not your friend so why offer them a helping hand?

An excellent, free, alternative is piwik that, in many respects, is superior to any offering from Google.  It is available from:
http://piwik.org/

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Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2012, 10:17:27 AM »
chillipepper,

I agree totally with you on this issue. 

Hostnine allows me to set up private nameservers with their reseller account but I use hostnine nameservers.  If I used my own private nameservers then, as you stated, everything domain on that nameserver belongs to me.  But Google and everybody else knows that hostnine nameservers are used by thousands of clients who are totally unrelated to each other.

Hostnine also allows you to chose the server location for your domains.  This is more important to me as I can have my sites coming from different areas of the U.S and the World.  And with careful placement I can ensure that none of my sites have the same shared IP address.


Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2012, 03:01:31 PM »
Well, in his other post (below) Jon was saying use a private nameserver for EACH website that you own AND use the privacy option when registering domains. That way they'll only be able to find one site!

http://jlforums.com/1waylinks-net/networking-deindexing-status/msg51263/#msg51263

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Okay guys, the results are in:

First, let me restate that a typical deindexing percentage is 15%. That's normal.

The current rate of deindexing is 41.8%. That's obviously very high in comparison (26.8% higher).

That said, it's important to note where most of the deindexed blogs are coming from: 61.1% of the deindexed blogs are from accounts that have 10 or more blogs in the network, and 78% of the deindexed blogs are from accounts that have 5 or more blogs in the network.

So it seems pretty clear that Google is stitching together the people who own large numbers of blogs and deindexing them altogether. My guess would be they're using the registrar and DNS information to do that.

The take-away from this is:

1. Use the privacy option when registering your domain names.

2. Use private DNS servers for each domain (ns1.yoursite.com, ns2.yoursite.com instead of using the same nameservers for all the accounts).

In light of Google's recent actions, there are some major changes coming to 1WL.  These are huge changes that will basically make it 1WL 2.0. I'll create another post about that soon.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2012, 03:04:26 PM by maximojo »

Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2012, 04:07:08 AM »

An excellent, free, alternative is piwik that, in many respects, is superior to any offering from Google.  It is available from:
http://piwik.org/

http://getclicky.com is also very good.

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Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2012, 01:54:36 PM »
Well, in his other post (below) Jon was saying use a private nameserver for EACH website that you own AND use the privacy option when registering domains. That way they'll only be able to find one site!

http://jlforums.com/1waylinks-net/networking-deindexing-status/msg51263/#msg51263



That would only make a difference if you are not using adsense and do not use any of Google's webmaster tools on your sites.  But if you use adsense Google knows all about you. 

Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2012, 02:28:46 PM »
I would have to question any one that does Internet marketing and uses godaddy. I have found that internetbs.net to be the best place to order domains. free whois, full control. In the last 8 years the only time the price went up was when the cost from icann went up. I think it was .20 or some thing. They are also bullet proof and only take a domain away if you use them as a redirect for spam. and if you have 2 or 1 million domains on that account they NEVER shut down other domains. Just the one that got a complaint, If you fight the complaint(just reply to them) they turn the domain back on.  fa g0 daddie steals domains and has killed all domains in a account, I have heard of this from many players, I personally lost just over 1k domains from one domain getting a few complaints.  I move about 3 clients away from godaddy each week, some times I'll do it for free and give free hosting until the godaddy hosting runs out.

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Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2013, 09:12:40 AM »
I don't understand people trusting godaddy.com with their domains myself.  I use their auctions but I move all domains I buy through their auction 90 days after I buy it.  I don't know that godaddy shuts down all domains in an account upon receiving a complaint but shutting down one is one too many for me.

For years the problems with godaddy.com were documented in nodaddy.com but that site no longer exists.

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Re: Using private name servers
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2013, 01:56:14 PM »
The only reason you would need to worry about private NS is if you are reselling hosting, because if you're pounding a babygator with 200 domains, NS are the least of your problems