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Title: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: davidash2 on January 06, 2017, 04:42:25 PM
Has anyone had recent problems having accounts banned? I had one account banned for "spamming" three days ago and just had another one today.

I followed everything by the book with both accounts (just like all my others). Started posts slowly and worked up to just under 100 posts/day. As a matter of fact, they have been running just like they are for a couple weeks now.

I appealed the first one and got a denial for reinstatement. Don't know if I should continue the appeal process further with the first or even bother with the second.

I am just worried that other of my accounts will end up the same.

All my accounts are set to post around the clock, 7 days a week. I am thinking of changing this. In the back of my mind though, I wonder if that would be a flag to Pinterest for these accounts now?
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: gomedia on January 06, 2017, 07:11:02 PM
Are the two accounts that got banned, pinning to new sites? I think Pinterest staff do pay a visit to sites, and if it looks like a "spammy" site, and the Pinterest person doesn't like it, that increases the risk of a ban (whether it be account ban or site ban).

I think even 100 pins a day is too much. I wouldn't do it.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Jonathan Leger on January 07, 2017, 07:37:34 AM
Are you pinning the same number of pins to each board every day? It may be coincidence, but since I started varying the number of pins to each board each day my suspension rate has seriously dropped. So I'm wondering if one of the automated checks for an account is the same number of pins going to each board each day.

I have no hard evidence of that. It could be a coincidence. But worth considering.

Jon
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: davidash2 on January 07, 2017, 09:20:43 AM
Yes. I have just left the same number of pins. I don't see an option for SM2 to vary the number of pins, so are you doing this manually? It does sound like a good idea. I wondered if this could be the problem too.

If SM2 does not provide this option, that would be a GREAT update! Once you get a lot of accounts, it would be a pain to do this manually every day!

Fortunately, it does not look like Pinterest has blocked the domains I was linking to. So, although I have lost 2-3 weeks of pins and followers with each account at least I have not lost the websites as well. I will just have to start over with new Pinterest accounts.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: gomedia on January 07, 2017, 09:33:39 AM
Another suggestion for Jon concerning SM2 although it may be impossible, is to make the software recognize or read a few words on the images, like "Sponsored".

Because now companies are advertising their products that may not have any relevance to the search term, and if SM2 picks up and pins their images, then of course it looks stupid.

People will think you are wrongly pinning and "spamming".
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Bob L on January 07, 2017, 10:17:59 AM
Yes, an option for varying amounts of pins does sound like an excellent update to the software. Having the same number of pins everyday just screams automation to a reviewer, I would think.

I lost one of my two accounts a couple of days ago myself, and I think the content of my website is quite good. The only monetization is adsense.

As far as suspensions,

- is it best to ask Pinterest to re-evaluate the site (and do you take off the monetization before you do?), or is it better to just move on and open another account?
- When opening another account, do you keep the same domain and just change proxy, or do you get another domain as well?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: pnnetbuy on January 07, 2017, 10:24:59 AM
IMHO having it built into the software vary between X and Y per day (where you can set X and Y) would be ideal.  I am sure I'm not the only person here with a lot of accounts and pin jobs so changing every day would be a pain.

Are you pinning the same number of pins to each board every day? It may be coincidence, but since I started varying the number of pins to each board each day my suspension rate has seriously dropped. So I'm wondering if one of the automated checks for an account is the same number of pins going to each board each day.

I have no hard evidence of that. It could be a coincidence. But worth considering.

Jon
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: kevin.r.butters6298 on January 07, 2017, 02:09:25 PM
If you don't pin 24/7 which let's be honest is hardly "natural" and have 10-12 Pinterest accounts per SM2 install....you will find that everyday different numbers of pins & follows are achieved....in 2.5 months of using SM2 I have never had a single day when it has reached my actual pin settings.

I also vary the follow timings so that i pin a couple of hours longer each day than follow....
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Jonathan Leger on January 07, 2017, 03:14:37 PM
Yes. I have just left the same number of pins. I don't see an option for SM2 to vary the number of pins, so are you doing this manually? It does sound like a good idea. I wondered if this could be the problem too.

If SM2 does not provide this option, that would be a GREAT update! Once you get a lot of accounts, it would be a pain to do this manually every day!

Fortunately, it does not look like Pinterest has blocked the domains I was linking to. So, although I have lost 2-3 weeks of pins and followers with each account at least I have not lost the websites as well. I will just have to start over with new Pinterest accounts.

I'm manually setting each pin job's number of pins per day to different numbers when the job is created (that is, one board may get 60, another may get 63, another 55, etc). I don't vary each pin jobs pins to that same board every day.

That is a good idea for a future update, though, to have it randomly vary the count sent to the board each day also.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: davidash2 on January 08, 2017, 06:29:56 AM
I see what you were saying, Jon. I was already doing that...setting the number to each board at a random number. I will continue to do that until you can work the update in.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: davidash2 on January 08, 2017, 06:38:50 AM
Yes, an option for varying amounts of pins does sound like an excellent update to the software. Having the same number of pins everyday just screams automation to a reviewer, I would think.

I lost one of my two accounts a couple of days ago myself, and I think the content of my website is quite good. The only monetization is adsense.

As far as suspensions,

- is it best to ask Pinterest to re-evaluate the site (and do you take off the monetization before you do?), or is it better to just move on and open another account?
- When opening another account, do you keep the same domain and just change proxy, or do you get another domain as well?

Thanks.


Bob,

I thought I should clarify something...just because Pinterest bans your account (for "spamming") does not mean that your website is also banned from Pinterest. In fact, this is probably usually NOT the case. Usually the Pinterest account is gone, but you (or anyone) can still post pins for the website. I have checked and this is the case with my accounts.

This means that you just have to create a new Pinterest account and start over with the same website again.

There are a couple other "precautions" to take in this process...

1.) DO NOT reuse the same IP again (at least for a while)...even for a different account.
      *NOTE: A lot of proxy providers will let you swap a bad proxy, so this is not a big deal. Just get a new one.
2.) When you create your Pinterest account, DO NOT link your website URL to the account. This would be a sure way for Pinterest to ban the website as well if they ever do ban this account.
3.) Remember to start your pinning out slow again with the new account.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Bob L on January 08, 2017, 09:19:30 AM
Thanks for the great info, David!

- That website was just beginning to get traction, so I'm glad I can proceed with it on another IP. I did decide to ask them to review it yesterday, so we'll see what they say. I feel like they may rescind the suspension anyway.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Uswildlife7498 on January 08, 2017, 07:35:09 PM
Are you pinning the same number of pins to each board every day? It may be coincidence, but since I started varying the number of pins to each board each day my suspension rate has seriously dropped. So I'm wondering if one of the automated checks for an account is the same number of pins going to each board each day.

I have no hard evidence of that. It could be a coincidence. But worth considering.

Jon

Is there anything at all I can do to speed up the processing of the software? To go and change the number of pins on 15 boards literally takes over 40 minutes because there is such a long lag after any action is taken.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Meg on January 09, 2017, 12:20:28 AM
Are you pinning the same number of pins to each board every day? It may be coincidence, but since I started varying the number of pins to each board each day my suspension rate has seriously dropped. So I'm wondering if one of the automated checks for an account is the same number of pins going to each board each day.

I have no hard evidence of that. It could be a coincidence. But worth considering.

Jon

Is there anything at all I can do to speed up the processing of the software? To go and change the number of pins on 15 boards literally takes over 40 minutes because there is such a long lag after any action is taken.


I turn my software off every night, before gong to bed. As I don't go to bed at the same time, that means different numbers of pins get pinned each day. It's only a few minutes to turn it on in the morning. Alternatively, do one or two one day, another couple another day, etc.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Stevej on January 09, 2017, 07:25:30 AM
I have not tested it yet, but if you have SM2 set at 75 pins in 24 hours and change it to 9:00 to 5:00, will it post 75 pins during those hours?
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: gomedia on January 09, 2017, 07:39:07 AM
I have not tested it yet, but if you have SM2 set at 75 pins in 24 hours and change it to 9:00 to 5:00, will it post 75 pins during those hours?

From what I've seen, yes....it tries to hit its quota for the day, every day.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Meg on January 09, 2017, 08:32:38 AM
I have not tested it yet, but if you have SM2 set at 75 pins in 24 hours and change it to 9:00 to 5:00, will it post 75 pins during those hours?
No, I don't think so, it i based on 24 hourz.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: kevin.r.butters6298 on January 09, 2017, 11:39:51 AM
I have not tested it yet, but if you have SM2 set at 75 pins in 24 hours and change it to 9:00 to 5:00, will it post 75 pins during those hours?
No, I don't think so, it i based on 24 hourz.

Correct Meg....I asked the very same question on a different thread, it is based on a 24 hour clock, you need to scale up pinning accordingly if you want to hit your target number over a shorter period of time. Personally I pitch somewhere inbetweens as that tends to provide varying daily pin numbers which to my mind is what it is all about.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: fic2326 on January 09, 2017, 09:27:53 PM
Just lost an account after 3 weeks which PT will not reactivate.

- Pinning ~150/day
- Pinning duration : 15-20hrs/day
- 100% URL

1st Msg from PT :
"We wanted to let you know we suspended your Pinterest account because of some activity that goes against our spam policies.

On Pinterest, spam includes saving lots of unwanted or repetitive stuff, trying to game our systems, or posting fraudulent, deceptive or unsolicited commercial messages. We block spam like this because it creates a bad experience for other people on Pinterest.

If you think we made a mistake, please let us know within the next 7 days."

2nd Msg
"We decided not to reactivate your account because most of your Pins go against our spam policy. You won't be able to access your Pins or messages, or sign up for a new account."

I think the issue is "saving lots of unwanted or repetitive stuff, trying to game our systems"

I'll reduce the # of hours, and URL % going forward, but i think will be great if Jon can consider the following 2 feature which I believe will be needed in the long run with PT admin tightening on the review.

1. Vary the # of pins between days, e.g Min/Max # of pins per Day

2. Vary the time interval between pins, e.g Min/Max # of mins between pins

For that matter, we could probably just implement #2 and if the Min/Max range is wide enough, #1 is automatically taken care of and wouldn't be an issue.

Of course, safeguards such as, e.g pins to be at least, e.g 3 mins apart and stopping after reaching target/day, etc are probably already in placed.

I'm monitoring traffic stats to see if the website has been blocked by PT.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: gomedia on January 09, 2017, 09:48:22 PM
I think another big issue is "Irrelevant pins".

The software will simply pin anything as long as the keywords match. Many images on Pinterest are already gamed and their keywords don't match their subject.

If you are pinning many irrelevant images, other people or Pinterest staff may notice. And they will guess you are using software.....

I see the limits to what SM2 can do, and unless you have the resources to keep creating new accounts or registering new domains, etc....the only way to keep your account and keep it "real" is --> to manually intervene regularly.....

I would rather become a Pinterest "Influencer" in the long run rather than having many small accounts that are always in danger of getting banned...

At least SM2 helps speed up that process, even if we still have to do the grunt work.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: fic2326 on January 10, 2017, 02:47:31 AM
gomedia is right, may have no choice but to invest in a VA for regular intervention.

Would love to be able to add VALUE, ie non-repins to the accounts, I bet that will add longevity significantly, if SM2 can alternate between posting some of our images and some repins, mixing things up.

Traffic's good, but it's hard to build a business based on hope that admins do not look up our accounts, and am sure every account has their share of irrelevant pins and footprints of automation.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: davidash2 on January 10, 2017, 08:22:13 AM
Would love to be able to add VALUE, ie non-repins to the accounts, I bet that will add longevity significantly, if SM2 can alternate between posting some of our images and some repins, mixing things up.

You CAN already do this. You can set up on process to do repins and then set up another process to pin your own images. Getting a big enough list of your own images may take some work on your part, but SM2 can do what you are saying.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: fic2326 on January 10, 2017, 08:38:05 AM
Thanks davidash2, didn't think of that.

Read in the forum about free images, if anyone has a good process of how to build a big list, appreciate your inputs.

Hope Jon will consider the frequency randomization in the upcoming updates


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Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Brokenthumbs on January 10, 2017, 09:22:52 AM
Just lost an account after 3 weeks which PT will not reactivate.

- Pinning ~150/day
- Pinning duration : 15-20hrs/day
- 100% URL

1st Msg from PT :
"We wanted to let you know we suspended your Pinterest account because of some activity that goes against our spam policies.

On Pinterest, spam includes saving lots of unwanted or repetitive stuff, trying to game our systems, or posting fraudulent, deceptive or unsolicited commercial messages. We block spam like this because it creates a bad experience for other people on Pinterest.

If you think we made a mistake, please let us know within the next 7 days."

2nd Msg
"We decided not to reactivate your account because most of your Pins go against our spam policy. You won't be able to access your Pins or messages, or sign up for a new account."

I think the issue is "saving lots of unwanted or repetitive stuff, trying to game our systems"

I'll reduce the # of hours, and URL % going forward, but i think will be great if Jon can consider the following 2 feature which I believe will be needed in the long run with PT admin tightening on the review.

1. Vary the # of pins between days, e.g Min/Max # of pins per Day

2. Vary the time interval between pins, e.g Min/Max # of mins between pins

For that matter, we could probably just implement #2 and if the Min/Max range is wide enough, #1 is automatically taken care of and wouldn't be an issue.

Of course, safeguards such as, e.g pins to be at least, e.g 3 mins apart and stopping after reaching target/day, etc are probably already in placed.

I'm monitoring traffic stats to see if the website has been blocked by PT.

I think Jon suggested 100 pins per day per url.

"100% url" - does that mean 1 domain or multiple?


-brokenthumbs-
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: fic2326 on January 10, 2017, 05:14:48 PM
Hi brokenthumbs, I was using 1 domain and only the domain URL, with no subpage URL, on every pin


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Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Brokenthumbs on January 10, 2017, 05:25:44 PM
I believe that is your problem. The account should be pinning less per domain and pinning to more urls and to more domains. 


-brokenthumbs-
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: hellobryan on January 10, 2017, 06:32:58 PM
I believe that is your problem. The account should be pinning less per domain and pinning to more urls and to more domains. 


-brokenthumbs-

I agree.

Jon mentioned several times in multiple posts and webinars that each pin job should include closely related keywords and linked to keyword related post from your site (not the home page).

The purpose of adding your link to the pin is to offer the visitor value when they get to the destination (your) site. If they have to search for the relevant content after getting to your site they are likely to get discouraged and leave. Also, Pinterest doesn't like the potentially poor experience their members may have experienced, therefore leading to the ban. Not absolutely sure of that, but it is highly likely the ban was closely related.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: fic2326 on January 10, 2017, 07:26:11 PM
I doubt banning is related to the targetedness of the URL in this case, but will adapt and monitor. Not everyone will be as rigorous to link to a specific LP, let alone even having a LP that's exactly related. The site has no ads and is related to the niche.

For the account, if I'm the admin, what's most glaring imo would be 1. the long hour pinning, which I will reduce, (but seemed fine for Jon's accounts), and 2. the fixed pinning intervals.

Randomized pinning may be software, but having 500 pins all pinned exactly 7mins apart is a dead giveaway if reviewed. In fact, Pinterest could detect this with algorithm without a human admin.

So, it could be URL, irrelevant pics, etc, but imo, these 2 factors are the most glaring for this case, which i have some ideas to overcome for the newer accounts.

Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Brokenthumbs on January 10, 2017, 07:42:36 PM
Just verifying and this may be a silly question... you are using business accounts?

You can also export every page's url for an entire site . I exported 3,500 urls in a matter of seconds and uploaded to sm2. Swap out the root 3 times and you have 14,000 urls in no time for one account to use.

I agree, if an admin reviews, you might still get a ban this way but what if you don't trigger an admin review by doing this?

I don't think you have to be 100% specific with the image to lp. It's more for conversions not admin reviews.


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Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: kevin.r.butters6298 on January 11, 2017, 01:18:24 AM
I doubt banning is related to the targetedness of the URL in this case, but will adapt and monitor. Not everyone will be as rigorous to link to a specific LP, let alone even having a LP that's exactly related. The site has no ads and is related to the niche.

For the account, if I'm the admin, what's most glaring imo would be 1. the long hour pinning, which I will reduce, (but seemed fine for Jon's accounts), and 2. the fixed pinning intervals.

Randomized pinning may be software, but having 500 pins all pinned exactly 7mins apart is a dead giveaway if reviewed. In fact, Pinterest could detect this with algorithm without a human admin.

So, it could be URL, irrelevant pics, etc, but imo, these 2 factors are the most glaring for this case, which i have some ideas to overcome for the newer accounts.



Randomized pinning has just been added to version 2.13 should help those who feel there are issues.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Jonathan Leger on January 11, 2017, 06:29:45 AM
I added randomized pinning/following, but will be very surprised if that makes one iota of difference as far as suspensions are concerned.

I'm convinced that suspensions come from reviews triggered by user spam reports (often because the keywords were poorly chosen for the job or Pinterest doesn't have enough pins that actually match the keywords and so shows unrelated stuff) and by a few automated processes that happen very early on in the account. And I believe sites blocks come from either pinning too fast to one domain or also from users reporting the pin/site as spam and it being reviewed. I don't think the timing of the pins have much to do with anything.

If I'm wrong please post back and tell me, but don't be surprised if varying pinning has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: gomedia on January 11, 2017, 07:16:13 AM
I added randomized pinning/following, but will be very surprised if that makes one iota of difference as far as suspensions are concerned.

I'm convinced that suspensions come from reviews triggered by user spam reports (often because the keywords were poorly chosen for the job or Pinterest doesn't have enough pins that actually match the keywords and so shows unrelated stuff) and by a few automated processes that happen very early on in the account. And I believe sites blocks come from either pinning too fast to one domain or also from users reporting the pin/site as spam and it being reviewed. I don't think the timing of the pins have much to do with anything.

If I'm wrong please post back and tell me, but don't be surprised if varying pinning has nothing to do with it.

Good update Jon. But like you, I'm more concerned/afraid about the irrelevant pins, and I think just like you, that people will notice....and some people may issue spam reports.  This issue also could be worse in certain niches, less in others. If you can improve SM2 in this regard to be more "smart", this would be a most, most welcome improvement.


Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Jonathan Leger on January 11, 2017, 09:05:30 AM
Try using quotes around your keywords in the pin jobs to ensure more accurate results. But I warn you --- if Pinterest has zero results for the quoted keywords it will return the results for the unquoted keywords. Nothing SM2 can do about what Pinterest sends back.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: webtolight on January 11, 2017, 02:13:34 PM
I installed the new update for SM2, and the quotes around the keyword is not working for me specifically.

I keep getting errors as SM2 searches for pins using that keyword with quotes!

Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: effect on January 11, 2017, 02:49:30 PM

I keep getting errors as SM2 searches for pins using that keyword with quotes!

Same here. Using quotes results in error and no images found. I'm on version 2.131.
Title: Re: Lost two Pinterest accounts in last 4 days
Post by: Jonathan Leger on January 13, 2017, 05:35:23 AM
This was fixed (for sure!) in the last update.