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Your Own .EDU Blogs - for less than a meal at McDonalds :)
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Re: Your Own .EDU Blogs - for less than a meal at McDonalds :)
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2013, 06:29:32 AM »
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project100

Re: Your Own .EDU Blogs - for less than a meal at McDonalds :)
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2013, 06:48:46 AM »
It's an interesting offer you have...

You do know that Google is wise to this trick and does NOT attach weight to .edu and .gov links. They are treated the same as every other standard link. As an ex Google employee I'd be interested to know how your offer gets around this little problem?

Looking forward to your reply...

G.

Re: Your Own .EDU Blogs - for less than a meal at McDonalds :)
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2013, 09:34:51 AM »
You keep mentioning .edu throughout the sales pitch but
you hardly mention .edu.xx which is completely
different to .edu so which are they .edu or .edu.xx

One of the questions that you raise yourself in your faq BUT don't answer

How many of the sites are .edu and how many are .edu.xx

I notice that you have warrior feedback in your sales pitch
which is over 2 years old so how old is this offer

project100

Re: Your Own .EDU Blogs - for less than a meal at McDonalds :)
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2013, 11:44:52 AM »
Hi Eliot...
This is exactly my point!

Google quickly 'cottoned-on' to this technique a few years back with edu forum links and student wiki space... It WILL still work today, all be it in a reduced capacity, but ONLY if you have a link ON the main edu site - NOT a wiki or a forum. I read a lot of old-hat sales pitch in the offer and wide held myths about edu links, but nothing which actually combats Google's awareness of the technique.

I wait with baited breath for a solution to this problem... If it exists, I'll certainly be happy to stump up my cash, I've been in and out of Google for over 11 years and they are not as stupid as folk would like you to believe ;)

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Re: Your Own .EDU Blogs - for less than a meal at McDonalds :)
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2013, 11:35:56 PM »
@project100 and @Eliot Proud

The offer is for .edu and .edu.xx - we have plenty of both!

Now, about your concern about Google catching on to the .edu domain...

So, basically just like Web2.0 sites... google is basically screwed by us link builders. They cannot tell which are "artificially" created pages and which are created for non-seo purposes. They probably have around 0.5% to 1% of pages that are created by people for seo purposes on the net. Just look at the reason why Disavow Tool was created. Think about it. They are "screwed" and now need crowdsourcing to help them fix the problem with the webspam... as they only have limited manual resources to sift through all the data. Unfortunately, these people are focused on identifying quality of content on end websites (the Panda algorithm mostly)... no on Web2.0's / and content sharing sites etc. They penalize sites that got caught in the Penguin 1 and 2 updates...  many innocent sites... but the aim is to get a large fraction of people to help them identify pages that are webspam pages. So, if say x number of people submit via disavow that same link - then it can be identified as webspam. Back to my point. Their algorithm, unfortunately is failing them. No matter how many tweaks and updates they are throwing out - things are not working for them. They are protecting themselves by tweaking it for each niche in a different manner. But, this will last only for so long - and soon SEO folks like us will get to know how to rank in each niche by trial and error. And, thats when their next move will be enforced... probably more Author Rank based.... and abolishing PageRank slowly (and there are other factors too). They're 2 steps ahead of all of us. If you want to survive - you need to think ahead like them. What are they planning in 1 year? That's a question to ask yourself if you want to stay in the game.

And what has all this got to do with .edu links?

Well, .EDU sites have students and teachers blogging (mostly) with non-commercial intent. The content is therefore treated with more trust. Matt Cutts himself agreed to this on a video on his blog. Not that we should listen to whatever he says or what his chums at seomoz preach ...  but there is truth to that and it holds till today.

They cannot disable juice or flatten it from EDU sites - as turning that dial too much - may cause some devastating effects across millions of long tail SERP results.... which is exactly what the web is about.

The highly popular keyword searches are easy to control by them and all they have to do is go into each popular niche and manually tweak and configure the dials and variable... but they CANNOT and DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY to do the same for the gazillion long tail keywords (which comprise 90% of searches on Google). So, they are basically screwed. Period.

project100

Re: Your Own .EDU Blogs - for less than a meal at McDonalds :)
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2013, 05:24:04 AM »
LOL...
I have to disagree with all your points. They archaic at best. I helped design the 7th generation of their algo (waaaaay back when) and we had already built in checks for the virgin web 2.0 properties even then. It is extremely easy for the search engines to detect machine created content over human generated content, it is child's play to Google.

As for .edu forum and wiki links (which seems to be the type of links you are selling), it is a MYTH that Google treat these as 'special' due to a non-commercial intent. They are treat as any other ORDINARY link in cyberspace. The only (and I really do mean ONLY) exception to this rule is when a link is passed DIRECTLY from the MAIN education site pages in context (if you have found a way to get ya hands on these, then I'll be a regular customer ;) ), Not on a sub page of a sub page of a students blog. Do you honestly think that a billion dollar company that employes more genii than NASA can't figure this one out? OR are you simply doing what most folk 'not in the know' do when they want to sell useless products to newbies and naive marketers desperate for a break... BS them and bamboozal them with incorrect scare monger tactics to make a quick buck!

As for MR Cutts...
Yup, he has mentioned teachers blogs on several occasions.

DIRECT QUOTES
".edu and .gov back links have no more weight than any other extension."
"At Google we are aware that webmasters are searching out educational links to their sites to artificially inflate trust factor. Quite simply, educational links on interior pages and blogs are assessed like any other link on the internet, they are not given extra weight."


READERS:
Please think about what I've just commented on above and read the OP's explanation of why you should buy the links. In your heart... Which seems more likely; Google employing a vast army of clever guys who sit all day long and deal with how they can make the search results better by detecting bad techniques OR as my friend above has outlined, free student wikis and blogs can really have the impact they have been reported to have because Google is unaware that all students have web space on the server.

HARD FACTS (from a guy who helped create the earlier algo - me)

Sites do not have PageRank (the link juice referred to above). Pages have PageRank. PageRank is per page, not per website. PageRank is not nearly as important as it used to be. Nowadays it has much less value. In fact, very few people, if any, consider an important ranking factor in Google's algorithm.

Who says having links from those websites will increase your domain authority? You don't have links on those sites' home pages and those other pages probably are worthless if they are so easy to get. I also suspect those pages are off-topic for your website which make them worth even less. I would say you should expect those links to do nothing for you at all (except cost you money to buy)

Freely acquired .edu and .gov links are very easy to detect (if you must use them... At the very least they will 'muddy the water' a little and help mask other more powerful ways of gaining an advantage), a simple 'spammer' trick will uncover thousands for ya. But it would be not the done thing to release the search query string here on a thread. If dumb witted spammers can detect these with ease, I think you know Google can and does.  :-[

Sorry if I've offended anyone (especially the OP), I just really hate folk being spoon fed useless and very outdated techniques that simply don't work in 2013. Someone needs to look out for the newbie... It might as well be me.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2013, 05:49:46 AM by project100 »

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Re: Your Own .EDU Blogs - for less than a meal at McDonalds :)
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2013, 10:32:12 PM »
Hey .. no offense taken. But, thanks for hijacking my thread!

You may have worked on the Google algo - but they wont tell one engineer the full recipe :)

I am only speaking from experience here. I have seen my and my clients sites rankings improve with these to a substantial amount. These AND US GOV links. If done properly they work. So, I won't get into an BS on theories and assumptions and what Matt Cutts blabbers all over the web. Just from plain experience - these links work, period.

Unfortunately (fortunately for us), google cannot turn this dial too much as their algo depends on many links coming from edu sites. If they had no value why would all web tools track number of edu links.

Just talking from hard experience here.

Should we do a live site challenge so I can prove my self?


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Re: Your Own .EDU Blogs - for less than a meal at McDonalds :)
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2013, 10:38:31 PM »
Oh and the other points...

Yes its not an actual page page rank. But, then so are Web2.0 editorials etc. and most others. And they work with Domain trust.

About spintax - yes yes we know their algo can detect certain amounts of machine generated content... even the folks at passgoseo.com do it easily with their algo. Thats not the point. The point is they cannot turn the dial up to hot on that as the algo will start spitting out bad SERPs. The point is that countless people all over the web do not write great English. So, Google is stuck. Again, I speak from experience. I've ranked *many* sites with super spins and they're still holding ranks after Penguin2.0. So, while Penguin 2.0 tries hard - and does catch many offenders... it does not catch majority of them. Using super-spins should only be done on satellite pages, and buffer sites. This is all from experience. We have over 5000 clients with us. No BS theory here. 

Oh, and on a closing note - you said "Google is not stupid" ....... well unfortunately they are. Why would an EDU site show up on Spot #1 for Viagra search after Penguin update. LOL. So, yes they have 150 engineers and all these fancy PHD guys working for them .... but unfortunately, they are caught in a mess that needs to be cleaned up by real humans! Which is why they're crowdsourcing the webspam as opposed to using machine detection. And the whole generic links, brand anchors etc. - was just a distraction (not saying we ignore it.. as it does work)... it was just a distraction to slip in the crowdsourced webspam initiative. The last thing you want to do is submit a disavow. There are other ways to recover a algo penalized site (not manual ... algo penalized). I can tell you this as I have got clients BACK in the game in the toughest of niches (as competitive as Viagra)... so I am speaking all this from REAL EXPERIENCE. And not B.S. theories on how the algo should be and that its so easy to do it. (btw - i come am a math-computer science grad myself so I know the capabilities are there - but they're in a stalemate situation right now until they move to author rank etc. ....so squeeze them as much as you can for now!! All this works for now :)
« Last Edit: June 17, 2013, 10:56:52 PM by vishyjames »

project100

Re: Your Own .EDU Blogs - for less than a meal at McDonalds :)
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2013, 03:35:48 AM »
Yup,
You are right... If done correctly they have power (as I stated), but the links need to be on a main page to really help, not on an interior page or wiki. Like I said, if you have them I'd be first in line to buy them from you.  Shoot one over to me (if you have one) and I'll make sure EVERY one of my clients places an order with you ;D