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Decision About Article Spinner
« on: January 25, 2014, 09:11:18 PM »
I have  read on many blogs that Google has complete system to recognize the articles that are spun by the software and also deliver gift of plenty to those sites that have articles spun by a software. Forum I need your suggestion ?

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Re: Decision About Article Spinner
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2014, 04:01:24 AM »
I have  read on many blogs that Google has complete system to recognize the articles that are spun by the software and also deliver gift of plenty to those sites that have articles spun by a software. Forum I need your suggestion ?

I really do not know how Google could recognise spun content, unless it is badly spun so that it does not make sense, in which case it would get hit by a "poor content" penalty, if seen by a human reviewer, NOT a "spun content" penalty.  After all, if I write "Jack and Jill went up the hill" on one site and "Two children named Jack and Jill climbed a small mountain" on another site, nobody would think they were spun but I could put those two sentences into TBS and add some extra and some synonyms and get something like "Two children carried a bucket up a steep incline. The girl was Jill and the boy was called Jack." I would also get a number of other alternatives with spinning.

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Re: Decision About Article Spinner
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2014, 11:53:14 AM »
@MEG I appreciate your research but according to my exact knowledge Google algorithm work on artificial intelligence and data mining concepts.

Re: Decision About Article Spinner
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2014, 04:21:36 AM »
I appreciate your research but according to my exact knowledge Google algorithm work on artificial intelligence and data mining concepts.

Where exactly are you getting your information because it's totally wrong?

Can you explain to me how google or anyone could tell that the following sentences are spun?

Although these are simple sentences (name, feeling, colour and animal) this could be expanded to cover a whole article.

John loves black dogs
Graham likes white cats
Paul hates brown horses

Would love to hear the answer
Eliot

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Re: Decision About Article Spinner
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2014, 06:04:38 AM »
To be fair, I have software written for me that is pretty Deadeye Dick at spotting spun/rewritten content. If I and an, admittedly very bright, coder with a penchant for maths can do it then I know that Google can. We based our tool upon a publicly available algorithm, albeit that its function was not originally designed as we used it. :)

Thus the question becomes 'what does Google do about it'. From what I can see, the answer is about quality. Low quality content may get the bullet because for sure, good quality content does not. The internet is full of syndicated and duplicate content and Google have made it clear that they have nothing against syndicated and duplicated content in and of itself.

We don't make a distinction between spinning or rewriting because spinning is just a form of rewriting but we can reliably pick out rewritten content with just two samples and the process is very very fast. We make no attempt to identify the original but it is a trivial matter if using a timed database (Google's index) to identify the first appearance of a piece of content. We give content scanned by the tool a raw score for similarity (not simply duplication) and can filter according to the hurdle score that we assign.
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Re: Decision About Article Spinner
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2014, 11:47:53 AM »
Andrew,

It's interesting to know about your software app.

Even so, I am certain, like all grammar software, you are getting plenty of false positives.

Dr Graden, once a prolific contributor to this forum in the early days of TBS, posted  some examples of extremely well written, rewrites from many different contexts. It would be interesting if your software app could be tested on them.

Regards,
SNM
« Last Edit: January 28, 2014, 11:49:37 AM by snm »

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Re: Decision About Article Spinner
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2014, 12:22:53 PM »
This software does not use grammar. In fact we do not look at the words directly in making comparisons. :)

I have yet to see a false positive. There have been occasions when we were unsure of the results when we were tuning the tool but close examination revealed the existence of rewrites within the articles under examination.