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Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« on: August 03, 2011, 03:45:25 AM »
Hi, I have had the best spinner for sometime now and I'm still struggling to get to grips with it. I start with an original article and then put the settings onto sentance, I then add 3 or 4 sentances per sentance written. Having started with a 180 word article, which now has 3-4 extra sentances for each of the original sentance my spun article returns JUST 1 sentance, surely I am doing something wrong. Please can someone help?

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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2011, 06:47:00 AM »
Hi, I have had the best spinner for sometime now and I'm still struggling to get to grips with it. I start with an original article and then put the settings onto sentance, I then add 3 or 4 sentances per sentance written. Having started with a 180 word article, which now has 3-4 extra sentances for each of the original sentance my spun article returns JUST 1 sentance, surely I am doing something wrong. Please can someone help?

No, this is right. This is the whole idea of spinning. If your original article had 180 words and 1 sentence in it (Very long sentence), and you wrote similar sentences to that one, then each article will have a different version in it.

If I start out with an "article" that says:
Can you spare 3 minutes a day? Even 2 minutes a day if you're really stuck for time? If you can find 3 extra minutes in the day, you can have a bathroom that anyone can go into at any time. "

I can rewrite this to say,

"If you can find just 2 or 3 minutes spare each day in your busy day, you can clean your bathroom and have it looking clean enough to pass the "mother-in-law" test every single day!"

If I spin these together to produce:
"{Can you spare 3 minutes a day? Even 2 minutes a day if you're really stuck for time? If you can find 3 extra minutes in the day, you can have a bathroom that anyone can go into at any time.|If you can find just 2 or 3 minutes spare each day in your busy day, you can clean your bathroom and have it looking clean enough to pass the "mother-in-law" test every single day!}"

When I export this, I will have only 1 version in each article. Spinning creates ALTERNATIVES. I just created two alternative "articles" there. Now if I went on and spun the words within those articles, I would have a lot of different versions.

I spun just 2 words / phrases in the "article", to get:

{{Can you|Are you able to|Is it possible to|Could you} {spare|free|give up} 3 minutes a day? Even 2 minutes a day if you're really stuck for time? If you can find 3 extra minutes in the day, you can have a bathroom that anyone can go into at any time.|If {you can|you are able to|it is possible to|you possibly can} {find|try to find} just 2 or 3 minutes spare each day in your busy day, you can clean your bathroom and have it looking clean enough to pass the "mother-in-law" test every single day!}

I will still only get 1 item in each article when I export them, but each item will be different.

Here are the first 5 spins from the spintext above:

If you possibly can try to find just 2 or 3 minutes spare each day in your busy day, you can clean your bathroom and have it looking clean enough to pass the "mother-in-law" test every single day!
#BREAK#
Is it possible to spare 3 minutes a day? Even 2 minutes a day if you're really stuck for time? If you can find 3 extra minutes in the day, you can have a bathroom that anyone can go into at any time.
#BREAK#
Are you able to spare 3 minutes a day? Even 2 minutes a day if you're really stuck for time? If you can find 3 extra minutes in the day, you can have a bathroom that anyone can go into at any time.
#BREAK#
Can you spare 3 minutes a day? Even 2 minutes a day if you're really stuck for time? If you can find 3 extra minutes in the day, you can have a bathroom that anyone can go into at any time.
#BREAK#
Can you give up 3 minutes a day? Even 2 minutes a day if you're really stuck for time? If you can find 3 extra minutes in the day, you can have a bathroom that anyone can go into at any time.

You will see that some of the "articles" are pretty similar but not one is identical to any other. And I didn't spend very long adding synonyms either.

Hope this helps.

If not, perhaps you could copy and paste a LITTLE of your text here with the spin and we will try to help.

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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2011, 01:46:50 PM »
no you misunderstand. I write around 10 sentances in the original article and then add 3-4 to each sentance meaning I have around 40-50 sentances in total and when I spin I only get 1, I am wanting to get at least 10 setances each time I spin


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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 08:43:50 PM »
no you misunderstand. I write around 10 sentances in the original article and then add 3-4 to each sentance meaning I have around 40-50 sentances in total and when I spin I only get 1, I am wanting to get at least 10 setances each time I spin

Hmm, then that is certainly odd. From what you describe, you should get 10 sentences per article.

If you start out with an article that looks like:

Sentence1a. Sentence2a. Sentence3a.  ... etc and add sentences, using TBS, you should end up with:

{Sentence1a|Sentence1b|Sentence1c|Sentence1d} {Sentence2a|Sentence2b|Sentence2c|Sentence2d} {Sentence3a|Sentence3b|Sentence3c|Sentence3d} ... etc

You should then be able to EXPORT your articles to EITHER 1 file, with all the variations in it, each separated by a #BREAK# (or whatever break you chose) or to several files, contained within a ZIP file, each with one different article in it.

The variations would look like:

Sentence 1a. Sentence2d Sentence 3b

Sentence 1b. Sentence2a. Sentence3c ... etc.

Check your spin formatting. For just sentences, it should look like:

{a|b|c|d} {a|b|c|d} etc., where a,b,c and d are each a variation of a sentence.

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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 08:40:13 PM »
yes, it does look exactly like you say but everytime I press 'spun article' it only comes back with 1 sentance rather then 10

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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2011, 09:09:06 PM »
here is an example

{If you are looking for wedding favours with a difference then one option could be to hand out five lumps of sugar almonds to each of your guests.|Wedding favours originally started many years ago with the giving of five lumps of sugar presented in a beautiful procelain box.|There is no reason to spend a great deal on wedding favours as if you look back in history all that was ever given was five lumps of sugar.|When it comes to wedding favours the more simple the gift the better originally people only used to give 5 lumps of sugar presented in a beautiful box.{} Most of them will not know that this was the original gift for wedding guests and signified ‘health, wealth, and happiness, fertility and long life’.|The reason for using 5 was to signify long life, fertility, wealth, health and happiness many of your guests won't know this so it may be worth letting them know in your speech.|There was a good reason for giving out only five and that was because it was to signify happiness, health, wealth, fertility and long life.|Why was it they only gave five lumps, well the five lumps were to represent health, wealth, happiness, long life and fertility.{} The reason for sugar was that many years ago sugar was the reserve of the rich and so symbolised great wealth and prosperity.|Why it was they used sugar was because sugar was a very scarce at the time and so it was a great honour for guests to recieve sugar.|They used sugar due to the fact that it was only ever the rich who could afford sugar and so it was a sure way to impress their guests.|Using sugar in those times meant you were very wealthy as sugar was only the reserve of the rich the poor would never have even tasted sugar.}

and this is was I get after a spin

If you are looking for wedding favours with a difference then one option could be to hand out five lumps of sugar almonds to each of your guests.


As you can see my original article had 3 sentances, I then added 3 variations of each sentance, I then spun it and it only came back with 1, this is exactly the same if I have 10 sentances.

What do you recon I'm doing wrong??

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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2011, 09:17:06 PM »
Actually I have just spotted a difference you say it should be like

{a|b|c|d} {a|b|c|d} etc

and yet I have

{a|b|c|d{ }a|b|c|d{ etc

could this be the problem and if so what can I do to sort it? Thanks for all your help.

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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2011, 09:23:22 PM »
ok, I pasted it into a word document and changed the { } to  } {, this has now worked, but I really don't want to have to do this for every article I'm spinning. Any help greatly appreciated

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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2011, 10:21:18 PM »
ok, I pasted it into a word document and changed the { } to  } {, this has now worked, but I really don't want to have to do this for every article I'm spinning. Any help greatly appreciated

That is exactly your problem, as you have spotted. NOW - how is this happening? How are you spinning the sentences? I have never seen this happening before.

When you spin a sentence, the operation in TBS should go like this:

1. Paste or type the original article / paragraph into TBS, eg Sentence 1. Sentence 2. Sentence 3
2. Highlight each sentence in turn and write an alternative,then click on "add", eg, {Sentence 1.|Sentence 1a} {Sentence 2.|Sentence 2a} {Sentence 3.|Sentence 3a}
That should be all there is to it. You should not need to touch the curly braces "{" and "}" at all, as TBS should do this automatically for you.

Can you provide a step-by-step of what you are doing, to see how this is happening please?


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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2011, 11:13:33 PM »
Ok, I first paste my article from word doc into TBS.
I then go to settings & options and tick the box marked 'sentance selection mode'.
I then highlight my first sentance and start to re-write sentance, I then press add and so on until I have 3 variations of my original sentance.
I then highlight the next sentance and so on.....
« Last Edit: August 10, 2011, 11:22:23 PM by itsmeewan »

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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2011, 12:47:30 AM »
Ok, I first paste my article from word doc into TBS.
I then go to settings & options and tick the box marked 'sentance selection mode'.
I then highlight my first sentance and start to re-write sentance, I then press add and so on until I have 3 variations of my original sentance.
I then highlight the next sentance and so on.....

That sounds right!

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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2011, 01:30:47 AM »
yes, but it doesn't work! ???

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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2011, 02:51:56 AM »
yes, but it doesn't work! ???

Can I check that you are definitely using TBS2? Also, are you using the sentence and paragraph rewrite popup?

I won't have time to do anything today. But maybe you could try the following:

In the "Settings and Options" tab, click on "disable rewrite sentences popup". and also UNclick "sentence selection" mode. Now just HIGHLIGHT the sentences you want to change and make your changes. See if the same problem occurs.

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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2011, 07:35:53 PM »
Thanks Meg, you're a star. I did exactly what you said and it now works fine. Now for my next question.

How, after I have added new sentances, can I replace words in those sentances, so as the spun versions of the sentances will be different, or is this not possible?

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Re: Getting help with 'best spinner' techniques
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2011, 07:48:07 PM »
Don't worry Meg I have worked out how to change the words, I just highlight the indivdual words and it pops up with synonyms.

I shall now be able to spin to my hearts content.

Many many thanks.