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Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?

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What should the unique counter % be if you want your article to be unique by the search engines?

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Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 05:18:45 AM »
30% is awesome and i think 60% is a minimum to avoid url penalty.

Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 06:42:57 AM »
Yes, the better question is how to avoid having your articles dinged as duplicate content.

The SERPs have gotten pretty good about spotting spun content.  So, just spinning words will limit your effectiveness.

Mix up sentences and paragraphs where possible.

The SERPs seem to target phrases in each article for duplication queries.   Once they spot them a few times, your articles are tagged as duplicate content.

30% just doesn't get it done anymore.

There are also 2 ways to calculate the uniqueness.  Spinning software, such as TBS, calculates the percentage of words spun.

I believe the SERPs do what the automated submission programs do, compare 10 - 20 article variations.  This percentage tends to be much lower than the spinning software reflects.

So, your choice is spin, spin, spin or get tagged as duplicate content.

Some people don't care about being flagged as duplicate content.  After all, the links still count.  That is true.

However, if your goal is to drive web traffic to your money page, then you want to avoid the duplicate content flag.  You want ALL the article variations (at least as many as possible) to not only be indexed (duplicate content is indexed), but you want the to show up in searches!  That way, people will see your article, click your link, visit your money page and hopefully buy your product.

Anyway, that's my take on this topic...

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Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 11:52:26 PM »
Doctor,

It's a very lucid explanation, thank you.

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SNM

Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2010, 12:05:52 AM »
Some people don't care about being flagged as duplicate content.  After all, the links still count.  That is true.

Is that true that the links still count?

I was under the impression that links will no longer count if your duplicate page gets thrown into Google's supplemental index.*

(*that link at the bottom of the search results that says "There are more results but they are not shown because they are duplicates. Click here to see all duplicate results").

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Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2010, 12:56:35 AM »
eridiani,

Links always count even if it is off theme. Many people use article directories on off theme topics to gather links so that their keywords are not widely known.

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SNM

Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2010, 02:58:47 AM »
snm, what if a link is in the supplemental index. Does it still count?

Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2010, 06:14:39 AM »
If you click on the message to see the duplicate results, they still won't show them all.  Still, the links count because the pages were indexed. 

That said, Google's algorithm gives some links more link juice than others.  For example, a link from a PR8 site will give you more linkjuice than a PR1 site.  The number of links per page also factor into this.  It's complicated and I don't pretend to have it all mastered.

Reciprocal links cancel each other out - no linkjuice.  If Google finds out that you paid for links - no linkjuice.

So, I'm imagining that these duplicate content links don't give you much linkjuice since Google flagged them.  But, they still count for something!

My main point is that, if you spin well enough to avoid the duplicate content penalty, your sites will not only show in the SERPs, but the will pass on more linkjuice and bring traffic to your money page.

What's the point of submitting all these articles if they just end up getting buried?

 

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Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2010, 07:34:07 AM »
eridiani,

Have you ever searched with site:xyz.com/* ?

You will get a further truncated list, the sort of pages Doctor is aiming for.

But we do not know how the different weightages are to the links in these 3 different lists- normal, extended and the curtailed.

It is proved by experience that duplicate descriptions in directories do not matter, possibly because the pages are unique.

Same logic will apply where the article pages are different enough other than the duplicate article text.

Right now a school of thought is that spin on text, if detected, hurts more than duplicate content because it's considered an attempt at manipulation and is unnatural and all SEs are fighting this.

So spin without a care will possibly hurt.

However I am no expert.

Regards
SNM

Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2010, 08:26:27 AM »
Right now a school of thought is that spin on text, if detected, hurts more than duplicate content because it's considered an attempt at manipulation and is unnatural and all SEs are fighting this.

This is why its a good idea to spin entire paragraphs.  For example, the article I'm working on now has 5 stories near the beginning of the article and 5 near the end.  Just 2 or 3 short sentences each.  Of course the sentences are spun, as well as the words.

Each block of 5 paragraphs is spun, where just 1 paragraph shows.  I also include a blank paragraph, so every now and then, there is no story.

Consequently, my article variations contain 2 stories, 1 story or no story at all - and they are all different when they show up.

It is also why I take the time to rewrite my sentences 3 - 5 times, as well as insert blank sentences where it makes sense.  The sentence variations differ contextually.

For example:

Original sentence:  The beagle generally develops into three colors as it matures.

In the past, I might have spun this sentence like this: Our dog was born tan and white, but ended up with black mixed in as she got older.

Not bad, but the content is very similar.

If it makes sense contextually, I would now spin the sentence this way:

Our new pet was a great addition to our family.

or

This was the most playful animal I ever owned.

or better yet...

That cat really ended up running the house!

With a little creativity, you can change up the content dramatically.  Just make sure that your text makes sense and is readable.

Since many do product reviews, this becomes much easier to do.  Just have each spun sentence describe a different benefit or feature of the product.

Spinning sentences and paragraphs this way (don't forget to change up the punctuation) go a long way to make them unique and avoid the penalties discussed above.

But, its a lot of work for sure!

Another thing to consider:  NEVER publish spun content in your own name.  Use pen names, email addresses without footprints to your web site, and use proxies (switch them a lot).  This way, the SERPs can't penalize your web site.  If they did that, all a competitor would have to do is build spam links to your web site and you are done.  The SERPs won't penalize you for others actions.

This also looks very natural to the SERPs.  They expect other sites to link to yours, with different names and IP addresses.
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Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2010, 08:59:06 AM »
Thanks, doctor for the elaboration.

But I recently stopped buying this logic:

"This way, the SERPs can't penalize your web site.  If they did that, all a competitor would have to do is build spam links to your web site and you are done.  The SERPs won't penalize you for others actions."

Because this is a trap we easily fall into and justify any blatant misdemeanor (if I may say so) online.

I think it's better to consider this logic as borderline, in our own interest.

No offense meant. Just a note of caution.

Regards
SNM

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Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2010, 09:20:52 AM »
This is why its a good idea to spin entire paragraphs.  For example, the article I'm working on now has 5 stories near the beginning of the article and 5 near the end.  Just 2 or 3 short sentences each.  Of course the sentences are spun, as well as the words.

Each block of 5 paragraphs is spun, where just 1 paragraph shows.  I also include a blank paragraph, so every now and then, there is no story.

Consequently, my article variations contain 2 stories, 1 story or no story at all - and they are all different when they show up.

It is also why I take the time to rewrite my sentences 3 - 5 times, as well as insert blank sentences where it makes sense.  The sentence variations differ contextually.
This I can understand and am quite happy to do.  ;D
Another thing to consider:  NEVER publish spun content in your own name.  Use pen names, email addresses without footprints to your web site, and use proxies (switch them a lot).  This way, the SERPs can't penalize your web site.  If they did that, all a competitor would have to do is build spam links to your web site and you are done.  The SERPs won't penalize you for others actions.

This also looks very natural to the SERPs.  They expect other sites to link to yours, with different names and IP addresses.
I begin to think I am way out of my depth here!  :-\

Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2010, 09:34:20 AM »
Okay,

I'm not proposing link spam in the least.

What I'm saying is that the links need to look natural.

Writing an article about yourself (or web site) is like somebody telling you how great they are.  No one wants to listen to that, including the search engines.

Having others say how great you are (or your web site) is a whole other story, and carries much more weight by the search engines.

That's why you want as many people as possible to bookmark your sites.  It looks natural, because it is how link building was intended to work.

The search engines identify this through names and IP addresses.  The more of these that link to you the better.

Pacing is also important, especially for a new web site.  Dripping links in is much more natural than blasting them in.

Can you imagine a new site with zero links getting 1000 overnight?  Not really natural and it can red flag your site.

There are exceptions, such as a popular video on YouTube.  But out money pages don't really fit that mold.

Re: Would should the unique% be to be considered as unique by search engines?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2010, 10:04:10 AM »
Thanks, doctor for the elaboration.

But I recently stopped buying this logic:

"This way, the SERPs can't penalize your web site.  If they did that, all a competitor would have to do is build spam links to your web site and you are done.  The SERPs won't penalize you for others actions."

Because this is a trap we easily fall into and justify any blatant misdemeanor (if I may say so) online.

I think it's better to consider this logic as borderline, in our own interest.

No offense meant. Just a note of caution.

Regards
SNM


I appreciate the caution and no offense taken.

Here is a quote from Matt Cutts, of Google (http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/how-to-report-paid-links):

"Q: We’ve always tried very hard to prevent site A from hurting site B. That’s why these reports aren’t being fed directly into algorithms..."